That New Trailer

As all of you know by now, the “Rogue One” teaser trailer dropped today and yes, that’s Genevieve O’Reilly–cast as Mon Mothma in ROTS–reprising her hopefully uncut role.  I’ll be honest, I was happy to see they went with her when it would’ve been much more tempting to cast somebody that Disney figures would draw more eyeballs or media attention, as is often the case with superhero movies.

Otherwise it felt like a trailer for a video game set during the OT era.  It is definitely meant to milk OT nostalgia on the one hand (Stormies!  Yavin base!  The Death Star!  AT-ATs!  Whee!) while appealing to teenage/college aged geeks weaned on grimdark comic book flicks and games.


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109 Responses to “That New Trailer”

  1. Jacobesico Says:

    Was nothing special.

    I swear that they must have used one of the shuttles in the Force Awakens. Kylo Ren’s Command Shuttle?

    Nice little fact about Mon Mothma and it was nice to see proper Stormtroopers instead of the Micky Mouse ones from TFA.

    I won’t be rushing to see it however.

    • Hunk a Junk Says:

      The landing shuttle and Death Star interiors were recycled and redressed from TFA. I will give them props for using the star destroyer design from ANH instead of the larger model used in ESB and ROTJ.

  2. zch81721 Says:

    I really don’t care about this movie so I’ll let it slip by but I will say I do like that they got the actress back for Mon Mothma. 1 it will be great for her to have a scene that hopefully doesn’t get cut, 2 nice to have another prequel actress in a Disney era Star Wars film. A nice little piece to put in the pile that those movies still exist. Other wise the movie just looks like an expensive fan film trying to make Star Wars dark and gritty which at this point I am really sick of. Of all the spin offs that sound like a big waste of time this one easily takes the cake and already this film looks dated with the style they are going with. Also this movie feels way more like TFA than ANH which I think is a huge fail on their part.

  3. Doug Says:

    I like the fact that we’re going back to something before the sequel era. This is a movie that just squeezes right into the existing Lucas hexology, and for that reason, I’m more interested in it. Going outside the existing episode structure really lets us do some different things. But the existing of more physical combat blades in the universe raises some questions for me.

  4. Hunk a Junk Says:

    I’m definitely more eager to see this film than I was TFA. The entire motivation for TFA — it’s creative DNA — was about assuring angry hateboys that “we’re not making films like the prequels.” That’s obvious from the “practical effects” PR campaign to Max Von Sydow’s opening line, “This will begin to make things right.” The entire movie was an FU to George Lucas to the point where they didn’t even put his name on the poster. Rogue One’s screenwriters are anti-PT jackholes too, but Garath Edwards has been more neutral and John Knoll has been a Lucas ally. Having Genevieve O’Reilly as Mon Mothma is nice to see and at least an acknowledgement, in a small way, that the PT exists. But at some point, not-Lucasfilm will need to make a truly original story. They can’t keep milking the nostalgia thing over and over without eventually peeling away the audience. They’re already getting blowback (finally) about TFA being way too derivative. Until then, Disney is making very expensive fan fiction. I’ll say this, I’ll be the first one to praise them if they mention (or better yet show) Geonosians working on building the Death Star.

    • zch81721 Says:

      Well they did give the original screen writer the boot and brought someone else in and know he was very anti prequel but let’s hope most of his draft was cut.

    • Jacobesico Says:

      Well if it was written by Lucas hateboys then I will definitely NOT be seeing it.

      • Hunk a Junk Says:

        It’s John Knoll’s story, and he’s no hateboy. Unless he’s gone full Kathy Kennedy and thrown his old boss and friend under the bus to collect a big paycheck. It’s funny how “friendships” are defined in Hollywood. I’m soooo looking forward to how George’s “best friend” Steven Spielberg boasts about all the practical stunts and effects in Indy V now that the obstacle of his “friend” George is out of the way.

      • Jacobesico Says:

        Wasn’t he the Visual effects supervisor for the Prequels?

        I hope he doesn’t do a Kathy Kennedy because the Practical effects mantra was also a dig at his work as well.

        As for Indy V, I have a sneaking suspicion that it will just be a re make of Raiders of The Lost Ark and I can’t see Harrison Ford doing all the stunts he used to.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        As far as I know, Knoll hasn’t turned tail on the prequels. What happened was after they decided not to use whatever the heck was in Gary Whitta’s script (which I suspect was originally Boba Fett fanboy porn), Knoll pitched the story and this other guy Chris Weitz was brought in to scribble it out. Weitz is no prequel fan. I don’t know what Gareth Edwards thinks but like I said, it was a nice gesture to bring in Genevieve O’Neill. It would be a great gesture if we saw a drive-by from Jimmy Smits.

      • Hoggle Says:

        I liked John Knoll.
        He seemed pretty ‘on to it’, a genuine fan of SW and a good foil for George during the prequels.

        He was right about the big gungan vs battle droid battle in TPM, & his instinct was for AoTCs to have focussed on the Anakin/Padme ‘courtley love’ romance more ( which RoTS ended up gravitating to ), both from the dvd extras.

        Without knowing alot, the film will probably turn out pretty decent within the parameters of the new era.

        Genevieve O’Reilly seemed really into the role in those cut scenes of RoTS, which were great for Padme’s story also & could have inter-cut nicely with what was going on with the triangles of Anakin, the Jedi Council & Palpatine’s take over as the loyalists go from senate opposing to forming an undergroud resistance just as Palpatine is about to wipe out the Jedi. 💣

    • Mike Jones Says:

      I think it’s probably best to get into this “reading too much into things” exercise because for all we know, there’s probably not anything there to read into at all overall [I’m referring to certain fans reading too much into the “This will begin to make things right.” line (personally, I feels that line of thought is something being pushed on by click-bait sites so don’t let it get to you as the line is really nothing more than something related to the story only) but can also be applicable to other areas]. I’m not saying that there aren’t any areas at all where there aren’t signs of something suspicious going on jab-wise but trying to look for it everyone just becomes excessive in my opinion.

      So yeah, it’s best to not look at everything being acts of shade-throwing.

  5. andywylde77 Says:

    I just seen this. Wait for it, wait for it…ITS; NOSTALGIA!

    Is this all that they have in store for the rest of the SW films? How many movies can they make that remind people of what came before it? The nostalgia garbage really needs to go. It is funny how some folks would cry that “the PT didn’t really need to be made” Well RO is truly a film that doesn’t need to be made.

    PT- Anakins discovery and fall. Rise of the Empire. Palpatines political manipulations. Obi Wan’s introduction. Height of the Jedi order. Introduction of the Sith. Luke and Leia’s birth and mother introduction.
    These are just pertinent pieces of info. Not even touching on other details.

    Rogue One- Steal the DS plans.

    So which doesn’t really need to be made again?

    But we need more X-wings, Tie fighters, Death Stars, Rebels, Imperials, Walkers etc. Where have I just currently seen all these?

    • Cristian Martinez Says:

      After TFA we should expect anything different, but look at the good news, now nearly the whole Star Wars fandom see TFA with disdain, it seems that the hype hangover is finally end, never the less, the Original Star Wars fans that still hate the Prequels still remain, posting stupid bullshit in internet still. Never the less, I am really happy about this, Rogue One is another nice little project to break into pieces when come out, seeing how unoriginal it is, as TFA, it would be a easy job. TFA fall apart in four months even with the positives reviews and the tons of money made, Rogue One would be a walk in the park.

      • Brian47 Says:

        Where the heck do you see that “nearly the whole Star Wars fandom see TFA with disdain”? You couldn’t be more wrong. A few articles posted on nerd sites and disgruntled, never-to-be-satisfied notwithstanding, the majority of Star Wars fans loved TFA. I see this among many of my friends and family members, I see it on a variety of message boards, reviews online, etc. I’m not trying to just be contrarian, TFA is a pretty well-loved movie by now among the general public.

      • Hunk a Junk Says:

        TFA is certainly well-liked, but it’s also true the some of the bloom has come off the rose. I see many, many comments now — and not just on nerd sites — complaining that the film was a rehash. The Honest Trailer that just came out hits many of these points and sums it up: “It’s exactly like A New Hope.” Articles in the New Yorker and the New York Times (not exactly nerd sites) have been critical of how the producers have dismissed George Lucas and even say the prequels stand as more compelling artistic works. So, no, it’s not suddenly all out hatred for the movie. But I was also there in 1999, 2002 and 2005 and the hatred for those movies wasn’t there immediately either (as evidenced by their certified fresh reviews and high box office). We’ll see how people feel in another year or two.

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Yes I do agree. But, this trend of unoriginal stuff will continue. TFA making 2 billion pretty much guaranteed that the next movies will be unoriginal as well. I did see all this coming from a mile away. Bad part is that this is what some people truly want, more of the same.

        More of the same is not how one progresses something. So I expect the rest of the following movies to remain stagnant and unoriginal. Even if they do decide to sprinkle some original elements in them. The rest of the new films will remain completely OT-centric. That is sad. I mean Lucas gave us the OT and PT. Both were set in the same universe and he did his best to expand that universe to such an amazing degree. Now 2 movies into the Nu-Wars universe and we get the same stuff just in different eras. As I pointed out in my previous post.

        I mean they think that painting a blue stripe on an X-wing and a red stripe on a Tie fighter is being different? C’mon…

    • andywylde77 Says:

      And as far as TFA is concerned, the new car smell is wearing off. And only a few months after the fact. When the honeymoon is over there will be more honest opinions coming out. Episode 8 could be the equalizer to this. Because with the new pics of that film, some folks are saying that the look of the film invokes the PT. With that said some are now ready to hang it up because of that.

      I don’t want something that invokes the OT or the PT. Just wanted something new. These 2 latest installments are anything but new. RO may have some new scenery, but I think they are banking on nostalgia to sell this alone. I mean it worked for TFA didn’t it?

  6. Shaman McLamie Says:

    Guaranteed failure if it lacks Bothans.

    Just kidding, but I am interested to see what it brings. As to it being steeped in the OT it does take place just before Episode IV and considering it’s the story of capturing the Death Star plans it’s probably going to have involve the Stormies! Yavin base! The Death Star! AT-ATs!(okay probably not this last one).

    I’m still holding out for a live action movie set during the Clone Wars. Could be part of a potential Obi-wan trilogy.

    • hansolo1138 Says:

      Seriously, there is an overload of Bothan jokes about this trailer, and all because of twenty seconds of Mon Mothma.

    • Eduardo Jencarelli Says:

      Bothans had nothing to do with the original Death Star. Their contribution was in finding the location of the second battle station in Endor, and leaking the info to the rebels.

  7. Keith Palmer Says:

    The bad odour raised in our circles about some of the people working on Rogue One have left me another one of those not that interested in it, but then I’m not in any real rush to buy a Blu-Ray of The Force Awakens right now out of the suspicion all the bonus content revolves around the word “practical”… (I bought both a Blu-Ray player and an HDTV to watch the Saga on Blu-Ray, even if the usual scandal being drummed up over the latest tweaks might have had me in a sort of “better get it over with sooner than later” mood beforehand…)

    There’s the whole “this is the ‘Star Wars’ for people who were reading the novels and RPG books in the mid-to-late 1990s” feeling, but I did get the impression the female lead reminds me of impressions of Ray, one more “tough, edgy young woman” who only gets over being a loner once “more suitable characters” are around (which seems a difference between her and both Luke and Anakin), in between appearances of the original such character… I know some would be swift to accuse a man taking whatever interest in a woman with a feminine wardrobe as “sexist,” but this does get me missing Padme.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      Spoiler, Keith: it does revolve around “practical,” according to those who have seen it.

      On your other point, I’ve been thinking the same thing. Will there be room in Star Wars in the future for more traditionally feminine characters like Padmé? Or even characters like Shmi or Aunt Beru? There’s nothing wrong with action babes per se but not every woman has to be Black Widow. I’m even distressed some of these younger fans are disrespecting Leia for being a “princess.”

      • Shaman McLamie Says:

        Yeah I’m kind of getting sick of all the Katniss Everdeen clones and would like to see more diversity in main female characters. They don’t all have to be tomboys.

        I would think a Juno Eclipse type character would be the most appropriate. She’s not necessarily traditionally feminine and doesn’t steer away from a fight, but a character who acts more formal and by the books.

        Personally I think a spy thriller might have been more appropriate for this story than a straight up action flick that Rogue One appears to be.

      • zch81721 Says:

        Yeah I’m kind of getting sick of this mentality of just throwing female characters in just to fill a balance sheet. Look I love female characters and I really enjoy writing them but I like seeing them be developed. Have flaws and arcs. But if you do any of that now prepare for a shit load of sexism articles (just ask Joss Whedon). Now we have characters like Rey where she can just go god mode whenever the script says so. And as much as I’ve been enjoying Rebels, to me Sabine is easily the worst character on the show and she’s had the worst episodes. Let’s just say I’m not holding my breath on this new girl in Rogue One. These are seen as great female characters and yet Padme still gets kicked to the curb? Let’s also not forget that fans are still pissed about Disney kicking Mara Jade out of existence.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I’m kinda glad Disney supposedly isn’t following the EU, Mara Jade’s character especially. She’s a good character for the books written about her, but even Lucas said Luke would never marry. I’d hate to see Disney destroy Lucas’ ideals completely.

      • Keith Palmer Says:

        One funny thing about mentioning Katniss Everdeen is that when I first read The Hunger Games, I did sort of have the feeling she could be seen as both an attention-getting reaction to and a subtler comment on “the old standard is that women are ’emotional’ even in these big, grim action stores” by being in some ways stuck working both away from and towards it. Rey seemed a bit less elaborate that way, somehow. (“I have to wait for my family” was apparently her built-in complication, but at times that seemed to have been programmed into her in-story to keep her handy for retrieval at the appropriate time…)

      • lisse Says:

        The think pieces have been out for months about Rey being the first feminist character in SW, the first fully realized female character in SW and I rolled my eyes so much. It’s the typical implications about Strong Female Characters only being strong if they’re able to fight. Nah. Give me weak female characters, then. Give me feminine characters. Give me the characters who get beaten down by the world, then. I’m tired of this nonsense and it happens in so many fandoms where one type of female character is venerated above all others and it’s almost always the one who can fight physically.

    • morejawajuiceforme Says:

      I just watched the main bonus feature and was dismayed. I’d just watched the movie again and appreciated it more than I did in the theater (and I originally thought it was good for what it was, despite the slight disappointment I felt in it being exactly what I feared it would be). I was feeling good about things, I had accepted the situation. This bonus feature brought me way back down. Should have never bothered with it. :/

      • Shaman McLamie Says:

        What was in the bonus featurette?

      • morejawajuiceforme Says:

        What you would expect from a typical making-of feature (cast and crew interviews, behind-the-scenes footage, etc.), but with a nice dose of what we got from the marketing campaign (real, practical, tangible, like the OT–which suggests all of that stuff was missing from the PT; recapturing what made the original three films so great, which suggests the prequel three weren’t; generally ignoring the existence of the prequels; etc.)

        Beyond that kind of stuff, though, it was a pretty neat featurette. They did at least use a lot of music from the prequels, which makes me very happy. That’s about the only prequel-related anything to be found in it. Meanwhile, the OT was all over it. :/

      • Aeron Greyjoy Says:

        I’m watching the special features on the TFA blu ray right now. Seriously, at least 2/3 of the background music is from the prequels. I’m guessing we have at least a couple fans in high places!

  8. hansolo1138 Says:

    I have the leaked plot synopsis:

    In a period of civil war, Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, win their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire.

    During the battle, Rebel spies manage to steal the secret plans to the Empire’s ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with the power to destroy an entire planet.

    In all seriousness, though, the movie looks good. Like a live-action movie version of a typical EU story.

    • jayoungr Says:

      “Like a live-action movie version of a typical EU story.”

      For some, that is a minus rather than a plus, though. I largely stayed away from the EU because I felt that it wandered too far from what I liked about the films. I was rather glad when Disney announced they wouldn’t be sticking with it when they took over the franchise, as I thought it might be a chance to get some side stories that were a better fit. If they’re just going to go back to the same sort of thing, why bother?

  9. ladylavinia1932 Says:

    Harrison Ford is doing “Indy V”? He’ll be 76-77 when that movie hits the theaters. And he’ll be at least 75-76 when she shoots the film. It was easy to see that he could barely run in “The Force Awakens”. Even Sean Connery was in late 50s when he did “The Last Crusade”.

    As for “Rogue One” . . . it looks like “The Force Awakens – the Prequel”. Honestly. Are all future “STAR WARS” films going to be visual rehashes of the Original Trilogy?

    “During the battle, Rebel spies manage to steal the secret plans to the Empire’s ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with the power to destroy an entire planet.”

    Oh, I see. This is a prequel to “A New Hope”. My mistake. Sigh.

    • buick runner Says:

      Ford had a hard time running back with KOTCS. It is too late to make another Indy film with Ford.

  10. buick runner Says:

    So they are going with another tomboy Mary sue that has been on her own for years character? That is two films in a row! Also what is with all these dark side users appearing all over the place like this officer walking on water? As somebody already mentioned, this is a stereotype EU story. Agreed that a spy thriller would fit better about a story stealing weapon blueprints.

  11. susanbowes Says:

    I saw the trailer and I agree it’s got plenty of OT nostalgia, but the movie looks like it’s going to be pretty good, not more like a video game as you stated. That’s my opinion of course. (No insult intended.) I didn’t really care for the Death Star’s laser beam opening like an ordinary hatch for outgoing (and in-going?) vessels to exit from. It made the most feared weapon the Empire created look more like a Lego toy.

    • Shaman McLamie Says:

      I don’t think the Death Star laser was being used as a hatch. My first thought was they were installing that bad boy onto the Death Star. The movie is set just before Episode IV and in that movie it was made clear the Death Star had just been finished.

      • susanbowes Says:

        Maybe it’s not a hatch, but in other trailers I’ve watched you can clearly see it opening and it does look like ships are flying out.

  12. susanbowes Says:

    This message is to all…

    We’ve bitched and moaned about how much the haters kept on hating the prequels. Never letting their hate wan one iota through the years, they’ve kept posting articles, and screaming their hate in conversations on the internet. (Facebook) However, aren’t we doing the same thing by putting down TFA and now Rogue One? Can’t we just accept that they’re Star Wars movies and be satisfied by that fact alone? Every one of you (myself included) has waited for years to see another SW movie, so why so much hate for the ones just made? Why can’t we all just be happy there’s more SW movies to watch? I know I’m happy. Won’t you try to be content and enjoy these movies for what they are too – a continuation of one of the best sagas ever made, and not bash them like the haters did the prequels?

    • Edward Diego Says:


      I wanted to post something similar but [susanbowes] … you nailed it.

      • susanbowes Says:

        Thanks Edward, but I’m not really trying to tell anyone what to post here. Everyone has their own opinions and I respect that. I just hate to see this site turning into another group of haters.

        I also want to say… as all of you should know, I’m a great supporter of Mr. Lucas and I LOVE every one of his movies. I hate the fact that he’s been disrespected all these years. I’ve been the first to defend him when anyone posts something bad about him on Facebook That’s why I made that appreciation video for him. I hope everyone understands how much I value Mr. Lucas as the creator of one of the best sagas of all time.

        (This is especially posted for you, Jacobesico. You of all people should know how much I respect Mr. Lucas.)

      • lazypadawan Says:

        But you’re telling me and others what they can and can’t post here…

      • Jacobesico Says:

        Susan, I know how much you respect George Lucas and I’m not questioning that.

        I’m just explaining that the criticisms that are aimed at Disney on here are because we care about George’s legacy and we don’t like the path that Disney are following.

        I honestly don’t mind if anyone likes TFA. That’s great. I’m glad you enjoyed it and I will not belittle you or claim that your opinion is worthless or anything like the Prequel haters would do.

        Anyway your message was hijacked by a couple of individuals who presume to lecture LP on how to run her site and it’s a shame because I agree with you that we mustn’t become like the haters who have for nineteen years now, moaned about raped childhoods and the other nonsense.

    • Shaman McLamie Says:

      Just a message for anyone reading.
      While I personally had gripes with TFA and still have great trepidation for the new era of Star Wars Disney; I do come to SWPAS to appreciate the Prequels and maybe discuss some new Star Wars media on when it’s relevant like Rogue One.
      While I did suggest the Prequels vs TFA article a while back it was mainly because it was so much more pro-PT and SE defense than anti-TFA, and what it did have in that regard still made me hesitant to share it here.
      I’d just like to say that while I’m not going to tell anyone to love and enjoy the Sequels, or any other Star Wars movie coming out; I am going to say the title of the site is the Star Wars Prequels Appreciation Society and NOT the Star Wars Sequels Angst Society. I think we should do are best to focus on are goal of Prequel Appreciation. Expressing angst for the Sequels, even in the comments, can only distract from that goal. I don’t want a fellow fan of the Prequels being scared away because they’re also a fan of the Sequels cause odds are they’re going to deal with a lot of crap elsewhere on the Internet likely for liking both, especially when they just came here to appreciate something they enjoy. For anyone who wants to hate on TFA, the Sequels, or Anthology films that’s fine and all, but please take those rants elsewhere.

      • Cristian Martinez Says:

        Sorry but the Pandora Box is already open way back, like 16 years ago. And I not doing this for the new fans, I doing this because all this “new” movies are made specifically for the Original Star Wars fans, not for the new ones, they are nothing more than shallow fanfiction for the older generations, and because they have such appreciation for our movies, maybe it time that we return the favor that they so give us with such love and understanding.

      • Cristian Martinez Says:

        It not like Prequels VS TFA. It simple destroy every new Star Wars movie that come out that is clearly point out to the Original Star Wars fans to masturbate. If they weren’t so clearly for them, I would care less and actually enjoy them, this isn’t a comparation with the Prequels, I care less about that. But every new movie that doesn’t respect the whole fandom would be destroyed to pieces, one by one.

    • Cristian Martinez Says:

      Dude, you’re not helping either. I’ve let people had their say pro or con, but this is provoking people. I don’t want to put you on moderation but keep it up as of today and I will.

      • susanbowes Says:

        And I’m getting tired of having my statement misunderstood. I agree with your anger 100%, but your comments should be posted where they will be seen by haters, not here with people who agree with your opinion. I might as well be on Facebook where hate abounds.

    • Hunk a Junk Says:

      For years and years — a decade and a half now — I have been told by Star Wars hateboys that my liking the PT was wrong. That my tastes were invalid and that I had to conform to their standards of what Star Wars is and isn’t. Almost twenty years after the SEs have existed these same people are STILL bitching about how their childhoods have been “raped.” Nothing being said here is even remotely close to the constant stream of bile PT supporters been subjected to over the years. More importantly, no one here is part of some organized campaign (and it WAS organized) to strip the saga away from its creator and have fan control. I, for one, have been complimentary about the things I liked about TFA, but I’m not going to just shut up about the things i don’t ESPECIALLY when the things I don’t like have a direct link to me appreciation of the PT and my belief that George Lucas has been shafted by the people who now own the franchise and, sadly, by many Star Wars fans. The distaste many PT fans are feeling about both TFA and Rogue One has everything to do with how Disney, Kathleen Kennedy and the other creative decision-makers at Not-Lucasfilm have decided to handle the saga. They are intentionally dismissing the PT and PT fans. They are all but admitting that they too think the PT sucks and sent every dogwhistle and smoke screen imaginable to telegraph to fans, “Relax. We’re not making THOSE films anymore.” I mean, come on, they put hateboy master of ceremonies Simon Pegg IN THE MOVIE and leave George Lucas’ name off the poster! So, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I think people’s tastes and opinions are what they are. I think people’s reactions to these new films and Disney’s approach to the saga is completely valid from a PT fan’s perspective. Disney doesn’t like the PT. They’d rather they don’t exist. They don’t need PT fans to support their new franchise because, clearly, they’ve hit on a winning formula. Their “practical effects” PR campaign is an admission that they believe the PT was made the ‘wrong way.’ Their embrace of the OT only is an admission that they don’t care about the PT. It’s radioactive to them. Does anyone think for one second that Disney will ever put Jar Jar in a new movie or TV show? So I think people’s reactions are completely understandable and valid. We’re only four months into this new era. People are going to vent. It’s raw for some people. It certainly is for me. Eventually, things will calm down. Unlike OT hateboys, PT fans won’t spend decades complaining about this stuff. Generally speaking, i think we’re much more forgiving and open-minded. Yeah, LP may have to police things if every topic turns into a anti-TFA or Rogue One rant, but that’s her choice. The bottom line is that TFA and Rogue One are clearly reactions to what Disney perceives as fan dislike of the PT. That’s obvious. So it shouldn’t be a surprise that PT fans are getting that message too and are justifiably pissed. We love the PT. Disney could embrace the PT and PT fans, but they aren’t. They’re doing the opposite. And now it’s not just some internet hateboys telling us we’re wrong, it’s the people who inherited the saga. That’s depressing and, yes, maddening. So people’s criticisms are valid and asking them to just shut up and enjoy the new saga, especially after only a few months, isn’t needed. In fact, I’d argue that PT fans NEED to speak up more. We love the PT. We need to tell Disney and Lucasfilm that we matter as fans and that the PT matters to the saga. If we don’t do it, who will? If PT fans can’t express our feelings here — if we just have to suck it up, keep quiet and be obedient as Disney craps all over the PT — then what’s the point?

      • susanbowes Says:

        I understand and completely agree with your anger, but you should post your comments where they’ll be seen by haters, but I, and apparently a few others, wish you wouldn’t post them here where we’re supposed to celebrate the prequels. There’s too much anger floating around this site now making us appear just as bad as the haters.

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Excellent point Hunk! And you are 100% right. What is really going on is for people like us that love the PT and most of SW in general is that we aren’t bashing the individuals for liking something, but just voicing our displeasure of the film materials. I never have said anything to the tune of “well you like TFA so you are an idiot and wrong for doing so”

        I mean my issues with the new SW films, well the TFA and the RO trailer is how it seems that it is all being made with the intent to show people what has been shown before. Nostalgia in itself can be a great thing, when done in small doses and not beat over the head with it like these new films are doing. One can appreciate nostalgia when it is done without the intent of being noticed. But when one notices it, they can say hey I know what that is a reference to and that makes it more worthwhile.

        But these new films are nostalgia overload. Overload of anything isn’t good. See if the new trilogy is a huge rehash over 3 films, that diminishes the value of the OT it is rehashing from. And also diminishes the saga from were it all started. I find it funny how the film BvS is getting bashed left and right, yet most if not all the complaints being levied at it can easily be thrown at TFA as well. Yet they aren’t? Weird right?

        But as you stated there is a huge fundamental difference between what we ourselves say or complain about to what a PT basher has done for years. We don’t insult others on the simple fact that they enjoy a movie we don’t. We don’t say that “Disney raped our childhood” or other nonsense like that. We air our complaints on the films and films content. Nothing more.

        Me personally, I don’t or at least didn’t want Disney to pander to any OT fan or PT fan or Saga fan. All SW fans should be taken into account. This is where something new would have benefitted greatly. Which so far, something new doesn’t seem to be on the table. I know that OT purists love the new direction. Only it seems their love is there because “it looks like the OT” So a lack of originality and nostalgia pandering I feel is something to take seriously when the SW universe is so rich and vast. I feel that Disney is selling people short by giving them less when they should get more.

    • Jacobesico Says:

      Any future Star Wars movie that does not respect the legacy of George Lucas will be called out as far as I’m concerned.

      I want to get into TFA but everytime I try, there is always some idiot making a snide dig about the prequels so I don’t know why I should bother anymore to be honest.

      If I see a spin off that respects George Lucas’s Legacy, then I will be one of the first to praise it from the rooftops but if it turns out to be shallow fanservice, then I will not hesitate to give it five rounds rapid.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I’m not trying to tell you what movies you should like and dislike. I’m just saying that this site is starting to sound just as bad as the haters on Facebook. I joined this site to honor the prequels – positive thoughts – not bitch about something in a movie I didn’t like, or the whole movie itself. I just want to get back to praising Lucas’ creation, and the Master himself.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        One person does not make this a cauldron of haterade and I’m dealing with him now. But I’m starting to feel like you’re questioning my integrity. I am not an unpaid cheerleader for the Disney Motion Picture division and almost everything I post here is about just that, praising Lucas’s creation. It would be nice if people paid more attention to that with all of the work I put into those posts.

      • Jacobesico Says:

        I know you’re not.

        It’s just that any criticisms that are made on here are made because we care about and respect George Lucas’s legacy. Something that Disney seems to be cherrypicking at the moment.

        Anyway I thought that it was great that they got the Mon Mothma Actress from RotS back. I thought I recognised her and they did a good job with the Yavin Base.

        I might get into it as I’m following Star Wars Rebels and I think they’ve done an amazing job with that.

        I can’t wait for Season 3.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      There are a few people around here who have had nothing good to say about this new stuff and I understand how that’s a drag to people who love it. But I will say this…overall, this is NOTHING compared to has been leveled at the prequels. As I’ve said before, if we’ve had to endure 17 years (really 19 years counting the Special Editions bashing) of raped childhoods, search-and-destroy campaigns against some of the cast, ugly rants, and death threats against Lucas, surely fans of the Disney material can take a little criticism.

      I might’ve felt the same way about “yay more Wars” once but that was when Lucas was in charge. Now, I don’t want more Star Wars for the sake of more Star Wars. I want it done right. I want it to honor and respect everything Lucas did and well, my opinion is the results are mixed right now. It’s okay if you feel differently.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I completely understand why you feel the way you do, but roxam91 got it down pat… saying that this site is supposed to be positive. I agree that the haters deserve our contempt, but I don’t think our gripping should be on a site that’s supposed to celebrate the prequels. There’s plenty of other sites for us to tell the haters that the shoe is now on the other foot. Just saying… and no disrespect intended.

      • Mike Jones Says:

        “search-and-destroy campaigns against some of the cast”

        Really? When did this happen? Now I’ll admit that I wasn’t into the whole SW online fandom scene back when the PT movies were coming out – partly because I didn’t have Internet at my home till like 2004 (I graduated from HS in 2005 and when I got to college, I had internet in the dorm and apartments I lived in but even then, I still wasn’t into the “SW online fan scene” till like over a year ago) and partly because I didn’t become a SW fan till like around the time AOTC came out – but I had never really heard this type of unfortunate phenomenon happening, especially since I saw all PT lead actors go on to other acting jobs.

        Do you have links to stories about this (if you don’t mind sharing them on here)?

      • lazypadawan Says:

        Well, if you want a hint of it, look up Ahmed Best’s recent interviews. People attacked Hayden mercilessly online. There were dedicated trolls who showed up to trash the guy on any article mentioning him. I remember when he and his brother did some kind of race or other in 2003, you could leave messages on the race’s site to wish them luck, etc. and people were posting awful, awful stuff to Hayden like “you’re the worst actor” and “you ruined Star Wars.” People weren’t all of that nice to Jake Lloyd either.

      • Mike Jones Says:

        Lazypadawan, just curious, but were these merely individuals acting on their own wanting to be loud and vocal with their displeasure or was there truly a form of “organized campaigns” more or less. If it’s the latter, then that implies that somewhere in some place (whether in some online forum or in a physical place) people gathered to organize and come up with a mission of going to any place where there was any mention of HC (whether it was online on some website or at a physical place where he was at) to badmouth him and be vitriolic towards him. If this was the case, boy was this vocal and loud minority vicious at trying to really get their point across (not leaving him alone in peace).

        I missed out on a lot back then due to not being involved in online fan sites. I will say that from my understanding, there really wasn’t much controversy not criticisms of him for his performance in ROTS when it had just been released (and the movie itself didn’t have a lot of criticism when released; heck it’s certified fresh on RT with a 79% score). He even was nominated/won a couple of positive awards for his work in ROTS, including best villain at the MTV movie awards.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        I don’t know if it was coordinated or not but I’m suspicious that on some level it was.

      • Mike Jones Says:

        I forgot to add: even after ROTS, HC had a couple of acting gigs the years following it (so much for the vocal and loud minority trying to shut him down completely).

        As for Jake Lloyd, to be honest with you, because I wasn’t into SW till like 2002 and because I didn’t really have Internet growing up till a few years later, I had no idea about Jake Lloyd being harassed until like 2006 or 2007 when I read an article about him destroying his SW toys (kind of shows that if one isn’t “in the online scene”, one doesn’t really have a clue about this kind of stuff). As for the bullying he endured at school, well, from what I read, it mostly had to do with kids making lightsaber noises in front of him).

  13. roxam91 Says:

    Yes, the trailer was very OT-centric, but given the timeline it’s set in, I can accept it. Genevieve O’Neill’s appearance certainly helped pique my interest in the movie.

  14. Edward Diego Says:


    Your site slowy turns into a [Star Wars Sequels Hating Society].

    And i’m sorry to say that but introductory comments like ‘definitely meant to milk OT nostalgia’ and ‘appealing to teenage/college aged geeks weaned on grimdark comic book flicks and games’ are not very helpful and encourage hating behavior.

    Please do something!

    • Hoggle Says:

      But it’s a prequel’s fansite and their relation to ALL things Star Wars is part of that.

      It’s also LP’s fansite, so she can run it how SHE likes.

      What she posted isn’t *news* in the style of hype that has surrounded the new era of Star Wars & it’s marketing, which is reflective of a different approach & direction to the franchise than what was GL’s six film era.

      Curiosity got the better of me to see more Mon Mothma connection from RoTS dramatic senators deleted scenes.

  15. piccolojr1138 Says: talked about concept arts depicting Bail Organa.

    And we see the Emperor’s Guards in the teaser so I hope Ian McDiarmid will have a cameo too.

  16. piccolojr1138 Says:

    “Your site slowy turns into a [Star Wars Sequels Hating Society].”

    This isn’t the first time I read that and I and think it’s an unfair statement… The huge majority of the content is about the prequels. If you only read the few entries which concern the new movies, then you should question yourself and not SWPAS !

    • Edward Diego Says:

      I think I’m on to your game and your friend’s game. That’s if you’re not all the same sock.

      • Jacobesico Says:

        Again, any Spin off that does not respect the legacy of George Lucas will be called out.

      • piccolojr1138 Says:

        You can disagree with a little opinion article, it’s still a little opinion article. SWPAS only talks about the new movies once in a while, briefly. To accuse this blog of having a hateful agenda is absurd…

    • lazypadawan Says:

      Thanks, that’s pretty much what I’m going to say.

    • susanbowes Says:

      I agree somewhat, but just from the hate comments on this page alone about Rogue One and TFA this site is looking more and more like a Facebook page – haters continuing to spread their hate.

  17. Hunk a Junk Says:

    “Shouldn’t we show Disney some appreciation we still have more Star Wars movies on the way?”

    Not if those movies are created as an intentional FU to the PT and PT fans. Disney COULD be the adult in the room between Star Wars fans. They COULD be saying, “We love the entire saga and we want the franchise to tie things together, making the tapestry of George Lucas’ creation even stronger, ” but they AREN’T. They’re doing the opposite. They’re saying in big bold cinemascope letters, “WE THINK THE PT SUCKED TOO AND WE’RE NOT MAKING THOSE MOVIES ANYMORE!” So forgive me if I’m not “appreciative” of their efforts.

    • Kim Says:

      Amen. I don’t care if other people enjoy Disney Star Wars, that’s great for them. I despise the way the prequels have been treated by Disney. And I don’t think I have to feel grateful for anything they put out just because they call it “Star Wars” as if they are doing it out of some noble purpose; it’s to make as much money as they can, which is fine, it just doesn’t exist for me. What I am grateful for is 6 fantastic movies that make a complete saga by George Lucas.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I agree with you up to a point Kim. I don’t think we have to bow down to Disney just because they’re making SW movies, but I do think we should be thankful that ANYONE is continuing the saga. I’ll always be grateful to Mr. Lucas for creating SW, all 6 movies, but he did sell the franchise and he’s moving on. Unfortunate as that is, we all have to move on as well.

  18. Cristian Martinez Says:

    And Rogue One would be as original as Force Awakens.

  19. Jacobesico Says:

    I don’t see why after seventeen years of PT hate why we should just put up and shut up and I’m not going to just put up and shut up.

  20. jayoungr Says:

    I’m just BORED with dark and gritty. If that’s all this movie has to offer, then all I can summon up is a yawn.

  21. Phen Says:

    oh man. Reading this thread i was so happy ….. to see people who feel similar to me. I love the prequels. SO MUCH. And i love Lucas, he has gotten such a bad rap.

    I don’t understand why FU to fans works… but it does. Abrahms did it with Star Trek. Totally ripped on the fans of the traditional. Totally ripped on the next generation.

    and i really relt that with teh marketing for TFA. I mean not a single olive branch? can’t you have one alien race from teh prequels in the back ground, or one mention of a prequel planet? I don’t hate TFA, but like one friend said, “it made the universe feel smaller”

    i hope that disney thought they needed that to win back OT fans, and will now try to win back the younger fans. THey are doing it with rebels. and some products are finally coming out with prequels alongside OT and ST

    I’m glad to see prequel lovers in my midst. And i share a lot of your frustration.

    I hope this rocks. I also hope someday disney makes a movie with more than one Jedi in it. Lets please have scores of Jedi again.

  22. Eduardo Jencarelli Says:

    The trailer looks good. I’m not going to ignore it. It definitely delivers on the action front, and it conveys a very good sense of scale.

    I do have one quibble with it, though. The dialogue.

    “This is the rebellion, isn’t it?

    I rebel.”

    Seriously, who thought that would work as a line? It feels completely artificial, and the actress isn’t capable of selling it. Definitely not on Daisy Ridley’s level. It feels like a Fast & Furious moment rather than Star Wars.

    • susanbowes Says:

      I agree the dialogue isn’t great in TFA, but was the dialogue in Lucas’ films much better? Leia to Tarkin… she could smell his foul stench? Certainly a laughable line. If we had to depend on the dialogue to make the SW saga a hit, I don’t think the films would’ve received the acclaim they did, nor would they have become as popular.

      • Eduardo Jencarelli Says:

        The problem isn’t specifically the dialogue, but the delivery and perception. They’re selling her “I rebel” line as a clever moment. And Star Wars was never about the dialogue, but the scope of the fantasy. The dialogue was an homage to Flash Gordon, obviously.

        The “I rebel” line is the kind of line you use only on movie trailers. If they designed prequel trailers with this mindset, they would have promoted the hell out of Padmé’s “aggressive negotiations” remark from Episode II as equally clever.

      • susanbowes Says:

        Agreed 🙂

    • Cristian Martinez Says:

      If Force Awakens is a Michael Bay movie, Rogue One is a Fast and Furious one, that set the tone of this movie really well.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        Well, okay, you’re on permanent moderation. I let people be free with their opinions but you only show up to bash and you’re bringing everybody down.

  23. roxam91 Says:

    The comments in here….

    Wasn’t this supposed to be a place of positivity. Guess not… smh

    • susanbowes Says:

      Bravo roxam91. I’ve been trying to get that point across myself. This site is supposed to celebrate all SW movies, not bash any of them like the haters do. PLEASE don’t tell me the roles have reversed and that we’ve become “the haters.”

    • roxam91 Says:

      Again… smh at your comment…

  24. Nick Says:

    Is this movie a prequel to episode IV and a follow up to episode 3?

  25. susanbowes Says:

    Here, here!

  26. susanbowes Says:

    I appreciate that you agree with me and your mentioning me to lazypadawan in your comment starwarsfan10, but please tread carefully. She is the one who created this site, after all. 🙂

  27. jayoungr Says:

    To the people asking us all to be positive about the new movie…here’s the thing.

    Although they are all part of one story, the PT and the OT are very different in some ways. The PT has more politics, while the OT has more military stuff. The PT has more cool Jedi, while the OT has more cool rogueish types. The PT has shadowy intrigue, while the OT has a clear and formidable enemy in the Empire. The PT has the courtly romance of Anakin/Padme, while the OT has the slap-slap-kiss banter of Han/Leia. In other words, the two halves of the story have distinct and different flavor within the larger world of Star Wars.

    With TFA, we’ve all recently had a large dose of military organizations, cool rogues, and a clear enemy. (It remains to be seen just how the romance of the sequel trilogy will develop.) Those of us who like the PT are still hungry for politics, cool Jedi, shadowy intrigue, and/or courtly romance … but we’re about to get another dose of military organizations, cool rogues, and a clear enemy. Maybe some slap-slap-kiss as well. I don’t think it’s “Star Wars Hating” to say that we’re not enthusiastic about getting an endless stream of just one side of the coin, to mix a metaphor.

    • Bob Clark Says:

      I’ll say this– if the romance of the ST isn’t Poe/Finn, they will almost singlehandedly piss off at least half of the younger fans they’ve gained from TFA. At least half.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        There are Hux/Kylo fans which I expected (the rule of fandom is two men who have any kind of interaction are eligible for slashing), but what cracks me up is Team Reylo. I guess they gotta carry on the Skywalker lineage somehow.

    • Tarrlok Says:

      Re: military organizations.

      I think AOTC and ROTS (together with their TCW spinoff) did a lot to depict military forces in great detail. They differ from the OT in that the armed forces of the Alliance and Empire are rather more traditional than those of the Republic and Confederacy, and the main characters of the OT are depicted as more “down in the trenches” so to speak.

      This ties in with the politics. The PT gives us a glimpse at the vast scale of the Republic and Separatist war machines, how they come into being, how they’re used, and their ultimate roles. It’s an LOTR-style epic high fantasy. Fantastical soldiers – clone troopers, battle droids, Jedi Knights, Sith Lords – do battle across an entire galaxy. The OT (especially ANH and TESB) is, again, more traditional and more like an old WW2 drama. We see the civil war from the perspective of a young fighter pilot who falls in with a crack squadron and later leads a futile defence of the Rebel base.

      Totally agreed with the rest of your post, though the above points aren’t really disagreements.

      ‘Rogue One’ looks pretty good as an immediate pre-ANH Expanded Universe story. I never expected the non-Episode films to be exactly in line with the tone of the original six. It’s best treated as an extended episode of ‘Rebels.’ I think it’s way too early for anyone to be casting accusations of being a Mary Sue at the main character. I’ve seen plenty of scrappy smartass women in fiction who aren’t Mary Sues. SW already has two in the current canon with Leia and Ahsoka.

      However, it’s beyond sad that Ewan McGregor is still hanging on Disney’s bell for the Obi-Wan spinoff. It’s a no-brainer, with top flight actors (McGregor, Liam Neeson, possibly Joel Edgerton) ready, waiting and not getting any younger.

      Unfortunately, an Obi-Wan movie would be a sober, introspective, possibly philosophical character drama that would draw very heavily from the PT. That’s almost the polar opposite of what Disney now seems to be exclusively marketing SW as. That’s probably why Disney is planning to make Han Solo and Boba Fett movies before getting around to any other SW spinoff.

      They’re going all out with the roguish outlaw stuff. Even ‘Rogue One’ didn’t need to have another roguish outlaw as a main character; it could have been a true believer of the Galactic Republic, who kept the faith in the old democracy when the rest of the galaxy turned to Separatism and Imperialism. Perhaps a disillusioned Imperial like Kallus seems to be becoming in ‘Rebels.’ Alas, that sort of character will only exist in the film in the background as Mon Mothma – our last remnant of the PT and its seemingly ignored political legacy.

      To paraphrase the aforementioned Alliance leader in ROTS, Disney know where the money lies and they’ll do whatever it takes to exploit it.

      Like you said, there’s an unfortunate lack of diversity of story types and themes in SW going forward. The writers of past comics, novels, games and TV episodes (not to mention Lucas himself) did far better at this than what seems to be forthcoming from the LFL film division.

      I’ll still probably enjoy ‘Rogue One’ but too many films like it would be tiresome.

      • roxam91 Says:

        On the Han Solo Anthology film, Pablo Hidalgo confirmed on Twitter that it was an idea came up by George Lucas before he retired, which honestly made me a bit more interested in it.

  28. lazypadawan Says:

    If comments continue to go off the rails I will close them for this entry. Thanks.

    • Cristian Martinez Says:

      So you would censure everyone that have potty language? How nice of you. I was being brutally honest, not trolling, and I known that most here agree with my opinion, that why I was posting it. Why I would do it in a hater fanbase? More when I do that to time to time, more now with the displeasure of Force Awakens, it more easy to entice anger against Disney with this movies.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        Read the RULES OF THE HOUSE link. I’m trying to promote a civil site where everyone can discuss the prequels in peace and while I’m not overjoyed with TFA, you only seem to want to post here not to comment on the PRO-PT stuff here that I post all of the time but to state your negative opinions on other things. This is a PRO-PT site NOT an anti-TFA, anti-Disney, etc. site. This is not a Bring Back Legends site. Sure I’m not happy with the direction things are taking or the anti-PT bent but I want constructive action.

        I’ve spent too much time on this today and I’ve had enough. Either you respect me and what I’m doing with SWPAS or you don’t.

    • Cristian Martinez Says:

      So you would censure anyone that have a negative opinion of TFA? And you call me the one that spread negativity with that kind of attitude, I love the saga made by Lucas, even that I like more the PT than the OT, never the less, that doesn’t stop me for expressing my displeasure for TFA and for the Original Star Wars fans that glorified to the heavens, so excuse me if I want a payback for it.

      You are acting like the Original Star Wars fans, banning anyone that dare to make a critic to TFA.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        That’s not what I’m doing and I think you know that. Why are you on this site, anyway? What does it meant to you? Are you just looking for a place to vent?

      • Cristian Martinez Says:

        Actually contrary of what you believe about me, I actually I like this site, this is one of the few Prequels, may be the only PT site that I known, other than Clone Corridor, never the less, I trough that you actually were better than the moderators of the Jedi Council Forum, but it seems that you are exactly like them and like any other administrator any other Forum that I enter.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        I’m putting you on moderation not because you don’t like TFA, it’s because you’ve been baiting other posters who disagreed with you or didn’t like your tone and I’ve told you about it more than once.

        I’ve said all I had to say about it and it’s time to let the matter drop. I hope you’ll continue to enjoy the site but you have to respect me, my wishes, and other posters.

  29. Heidi Says:

    Just thought I’d throw my two cents in; I’m not seeing bashing as much as I’m seeing simple arguments between frustrated fans (which is very understandable) and criticism. Bashing and criticism are not the same thing.

    I sometimes skim through the comments on the comment heavy posts because I too am not comfortable with the current state of the fandom and direction SW is going in and it’s assuring to hear level-headed approaches and well thought out analysis for what I’m dealing with, and other’s too. Everybody needs a place to go to to talk about what’s bothering them, that should not be stripped away from them; and it happens here because we know this site is a safe place for PT fans. So that being said, if a person can feel safe and slowly let out frustrations, then their focus will not always be negative, there’s evidence of that in all the other posts on this site which are only about praising and enjoying the prequels.

    Okay, that’s all. I don’t want to drag the ‘conversation’ on longer than it needs too.

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