TFA Poster Revealed: Open Thread

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In case you’ve been hiding under a rock this Sunday, here’s the official one sheet for TFA. In spite of it looking rather Struzan-esque, it is not by Drew Struzan. According to MakingStarWars.net, the artist is Bryan Morton, seen here cosplaying as Anakin at the 2007 Rose Bowl Parade!

Some interesting notes:

1. No Luke. I suspect I know why and so do most of you who have read some spoilers.

2. In spite of Luke’s absence, the OT3 get top billing. Most of the rest of the cast is relatively inexperienced and even Ewan McGregor and Natalie Portman had enough pull in 1999 not to get buried beneath bigger/more experienced co-stars. Very interestingly enough, Ford is billed ahead of Hamill, which did not happen 1977-1983.

3. Screenplay credits went to Abrams, Kasdan, and Arndt. Arndt probably had to be credited as part of his golden parachute out of the gig.

4. No mention of “George Lucas” anywhere.

5. Over in the space between Finn and Rey’s heads is a Death Star-looking super weapon or space station.

6. Rey’s staff runs parallel right next to Kylo Ren’s lightsaber.

Also released today are some short teasers from tomorrow’s trailer debut:

Teaser 1

Teaser 2

And an announcementon star wars.com about a SW movie marathon and theater exclusives.

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142 Responses to “TFA Poster Revealed: Open Thread”

  1. madmediaman Says:

    Death Star 3.0…. ugh.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      The Ball of Death!

    • Hunk a Junk Says:

      Shhhhh! JJ is the brilliant visionary Star Wars has been waiting for, haven’t you heard?! A visionary! He’s brilliantly taken someone else’s story, removed their name completely, and now gets to pretend that HE made it all! Look! X-Wings! A planet-killing super weapon! TIE fighters! The Millennium Falcon! It’s completely original and new!

      • zch81721 Says:

        *cough* Star Trek: Into Darkness *cough*

      • Jonathan Says:

        Seriously. Its horrible that I’m so emotionally invested in the serious and yet here comes a disrespectful Disney to crush all the hope I have for the movie, even though I can’t help but be compelled to see it because my childhood is attached to it lol

      • Jonathan Says:

        *series* (not “serious”)

    • Bob Clark Says:

      Devils Advocate for a moment– maybe this is the Rebel super weapon? That could be a way for it to at least shake things up a little bit.

    • jarjarbacktattooguy Says:

      I bet there will be great, inspired, original dialogue too! I think some character will say, “Now, witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station!”

      Lucas couldn’t come up with anything this good! Booyah!

  2. roxam91 Says:

    Opinions on the contents of the movie aside, I think this poster looks absolutely brilliant. Yeah, it’s a shame Struzan wan’t the one to draw the final poster this time around, but hey, an Anakin cosplayer was the one who did it, so no complaints from me.

    I also found it really hilarious that the OT3 gets the top billing. Not to spoil anything, but for those who were expecting to see the big three together just like the OT, prepare for some disappointment…

    • lazypadawan Says:

      *Nods.* The advantage of reading spoilers months in advance is that they’re going to make me laugh if they come true instead of making me mad.

  3. susanbowes Says:

    Bryan Morton does look a little like Hayden. Much more like Hayden than the artist who drew Anakin for the Clone Wars animated series. That’s one of the reasons I could never “get into” the show. Anakin animated version didn’t look or sound like Hayden at all – and to me Hayden IS ANAKIN! There’s no actor (live or animated) that can replace him in my mind.

  4. bansheegun Says:

    Theres almost too many characters…

    • susanbowes Says:

      No Luke? I certainly hope he’s in TFA in some way. He’s a Skywalker and if he hadn’t been introduced into the saga none of the movies would’ve made much sense. We all need a hero and/or a central character to follow. Luke is a staple in all the films – whether appearing in them or not.

  5. piccolojr1138 Says:

    It’s very cool. I look forward to the trailer now.

  6. Bob Clark Says:

    No Lucas, no peace.

    • Hunk a Junk Says:

      It’s not just that there’s no Lucas. The new owners are going out of their way to make it clear Lucas had nothing to do with this movie. They’re boasting of it. I’m sure if they could change the company name from “Lucasfilm” they would. In a heartbeat.

      • susanbowes Says:

        Maybe it’s a good thing they don’t mention Lucas as contributing to Episode 7. The movie isn’t out yet so we really don’t know whether attaching his name to the film will earn him credit, or disgrace. From what I gather from the trailers I’ve seen, the latter is more likely. I’m not saying the movie will suck, but it probably won’t meet Lucas’ standards. (nor mine)

    • Jonathan Says:

      THANK YOU. RIP My childhood February 1997- December 18th 2015.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        Oh come now. Even if the film stinks on ice, your childhood is still intact. Don’t steal a page from the basher screenplay ;).

    • John Kramer Says:

      Because Lucas is the director everyone deserves, but not the one they need right now.

  7. zch81721 Says:

    I definitely like this poster. Glad the new characters have the spotlight and not the OT3 completely stealing it. But death star looking thing concerns me. We’ve already done this twice (3 times if you count TPM).

  8. roxam91 Says:

    For those (including myself) worried about a third Death Star, the following may or may not alleviate your concerns:

    • madmediaman Says:

      No, this weapon destroys stars rather than planets… Still a mega weapon.

      I find this poster extremely disappointing. Rather than continue the Struzan tradition or commission another poster we go with a Photoshop job. Heck I’d rather they use the SDCC poster as the official poster… this is just tired.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        “Dammit, that’s my Sun Crusher!”–Kevin J. Anderson

      • Heidi Says:

        I do agree actually. Star Wars is what began my love for painted posters to begin with. *sigh* Well, I guess it’s one step above “words over faces” but still…
        To me, first glance it looked fan-made. I’m happy an Anakin cosplayer created it, but it’s disappointing to look at.
        Well maybe it’s a good thing, after all I can’t see this film being anything but a huge fanfiction gone awry anyways.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      So it’s a resort/casino?

    • bansheegun Says:

      The entire ST is shaping up to be a rehash of the OT.

  9. Hunk a Junk Says:

    Wow. So George Lucas gets no credit. None. Not even a “Based on Star Wars created by George Lucas” Apparently Star Wars just farted into existence somehow (which is what hateboys would like the world to believe, of course). Michael Crichton got a “created by” credit on Jurassic World and he’s DEAD.

    I’m thinking this is more evidence that there’s a major rift between Kathleen Kennedy and Lucas. I’ve been predicting this for months. When it was announced that Kennedy dropped Lucas’ outlines, all of the early talk about Lucas being a consultant or outlining the story just disappeared. Lucas never visited the sets. There’s been no “We showed the movie to George and he loved it!” He’s apparently washed his hands of his saga. I’d put cash on Lucas not being at any of the premieres. Nor will we see any publicity of KK standing next to George with big grins any time soon. Mom and dad got a divorce.

    I have no doubt the movie will be the entertaining, funny “this is the first GOOD Star Wars movie since 1983” movie hateboys have been longing for. But it’s not Star Wars. Not to me.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      Well, let me put this out there. Those who really are looking forward to the Beatles reunion aren’t going to quiiiite get it and I’m not sure if they’re going to be happy with that.

      • zch81721 Says:

        Oh I’m expecting a meltdown. The hype has gotten so out of control (5 billion worldwide? Are you high?) TPM disappointed these people and they only had to wait 16 years. Now we not only have 32 years of hype but somehow this movie is suppose to justify 16 years of hate (which nothing ever will). If George Lucas couldn’t live up to their hype what the hell makes them think J. J. Abrams can? The man couldn’t live up to the hype of his own sequel and that was only a 4 year wait.

      • Stefan Kraft Says:

        I actually like the idea that this movie will not please the hateboys… Not necessarily because of the “get a taste of your own medicine” thing, but because it may be an indication that the movie tries something new.

        “Now we not only have 32 years of hype but somehow this movie is suppose to justify 16 years of hate (which nothing ever will).”
        Good line, I think that this perfectly sums up some expectations by the hateboys.

      • Hunk a Junk Says:

        The hateboys won’t hate this movie. At all. Even if it subjectively is worse than Into Darkness, the hateboys are too invested in their all-out hatred of George Lucas that any Star Wars movie that doesn’t have his name MUST be great. Besides, anything they don’t like about the movie they’ll retroactively blame on Lucas. I’ve already seen them complain about the title, the character names and various plot points and then rationalize them by saying, “This must’ve been stuff Lucas came up with,” or “Lucas must’ve forced Disney to do that.” There will be no blow back. The hateboys will love everything about this movie. They HAVE to.

      • roxam91 Says:

        You say the hateboys will love everything about this movie, then you mention how they’re complaining about things… huh???

        I cannot agree with the fact that they’ll love the movie. If something is immensely hyped like TFA is, there will be disappointment, no matter what. This is an example I mentioned before, but just look at the reception to ‘Aftermath’, a book that was hyped as the first official story to be set after ROTJ. For something that is just meant to be a tie-in book to TFA, I’m already reading comments about how “Disney ruined my childhood”… and that’s just from a book. If hateboys have a problem with a book of all things, then I don’t see how the movie’s gonna satisfy them any better.

        And that isn’t taking into account all the bitter EU fans…

      • susanbowes Says:

        The haters won’t have a choice but to accept the idea that Lucas wasn’t involved with Episode 7, no matter how much they try to deny the fact. It was made public knowledge that Lucas’ suggestions were completely dismissed by Disney and that he had no control over the movie at all.

      • Hunk a Junk Says:

        roxam91 “You say the hateboys will love everything about this movie, then you mention how they’re complaining about things… huh???” The hateboys will love this movie if for no other reason than because George Lucas wasn’t involved in creating it. They’ve invested too heavily in the idea that everything right in Star Wars was because others were the REAL geniuses (like Marcia Lucas, Gary Kurtz and Irvin Kershner) and that everything wrong with Star Wars was solely the responsibility of GL. But that doesn’t mean they won’t complain about the movie. They’ll just a) say that despite it’s flaws it’s still better than the PT and b) that any flaws are somehow retroactively Lucas’s fault. Lucas is their boogey man. They’ll “love” this movie even if in their hearts they don’t.

    • TPF1138 Says:

      “There will be no blow back. The hateboys will love everything about this movie. They HAVE to.”

      Agreed!

      There’s simply too much invested on their end.

      • susanbowes Says:

        It’s a travesty that Lucas’ name isn’t included in the credits of Episode 7. However, listed or not, true SW fans will continue to credit Lucas as the saga’s creator whether Disney and the haters like it or not.

  10. James Says:

    Ugghh I hope this doesnt become the “han Solo Chronicals” i respect people who like him i just dont

    • roxam91 Says:

      From what spoilers I read/heard I read, I can guarantee that this will not be the “Han Solo Chronicles” (they’re saving that for a future Anthology movie). If anything, the poster indicates that this is the story of Rey, Kylo Ren, and Finn.

  11. james Says:

    I hope this doesnt become “the han solo chronicals” i respect people who like him i just dont.

    • bansheegun Says:

      … Let’s just say there’s absolutely no chance of that happening if certain rumors come to fruition.

  12. kenkraly2004 Says:

    I like The Poster. I can’t believe the amount of people actually complaining over both the poster and the teaser trailers. It’s New a Star Wars Film. Come on now. I guess you really can’t please everyone anymore. Just because Drew Struzan did not make the poster doesn’t mean it’s bad. The Poster is good and I can’t wait for TFA!!!

  13. roxam91 Says:

    While I do have some concerns about the movie itself, I can admit that the poster itself looks amazing. The Anakin cosplayer who worked on it truly did a great job. I seriously thought it was Struzan who did it before I heard the news.

  14. jarjarbacktattooguy Says:

    I thought this was a Walt Disney Pictures release, the Disney logo is all over the merch yet is not seen here at all.

    Another Death Star. Is anyone surprised? Everyone complains about Super Death Star from ROTJ, but the geeks won’t complain about this.

    Oscar Isaac couldn’t get higher billing? What the hell?

    Always loved Drew Struzan, but I’ m glad they went with someone else. I like that each trilogy has a different poster-art style.

    I like Princess Leia’s hair style.

    Great to see Max Von Sydow’s name on a Star Wars poster.

    Daisy Ridley looks all kinds of gorgeous here.

    Looks great. Hello $700 million domestic box office.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      Bob Iger recently said in an interview that Lucasfilm releases will be treated like Marvel releases: no Disney logos.

  15. jarjarbacktattooguy Says:

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    The Twins are a baseball club that plays in Minneapolis, a town in Minnesota.

    Win! Twins! Soon?

  16. Stefan Kraft Says:

    I remember the comment by the old ForceCast crew when the poster of the TPM 3D re-release was presented: Struzan’s poster was a work of art, the re-release poster was a piece of promotion. Luckily, I do not think that the TFA poster is just promotion, but also art.

    Overall, I like it.

    The (IMHO) good (including personal commentary):
    – Overall, different look and drawing style than Struzan, but still nice (or at least interesting).

    – Focus on the new characters – something I like. Nothing against the Big 3 (or 4 if you include Chewie), but this increases the chance that TFA is not only a nostalgia piece (it may still be, though, or still “too much”).

    – I like that Rey’s staff is parallel to Ren’s lightsabre – you get the impression that they are fighting each other. (As she is holding it, I am reminded of Darth Maul with his famous double lightsabre.)

    – Is the small yellow alien one of the CG characters?

    The “I am not sure what to make out of it”/neutral:
    – No Luke. Are they really attempting something original and do not go for the obvious with the Big 3 as the main protagonists? On the other hand, the movie could just be a “let’s find Luke” movie…

    – The “Ball of Death”: as Bob Clark noted, there could be a twist to it. And let’s not forget the Ring Theory (huge ball-like battle stations as a recurring theme in Star Wars). On the other hand: “The OT was cool because they had to fight huge battle stations = essential element of SW, like western = has to be included for its own sake.” (I am mean here, sorry.)

    – While I like the poster, it seems more of a KotoR poster to me than a SW Saga poster. This may be due to the coloring, the drawing style etc. This is just an observation.

    – Just wondering: will this poster appeal to the young fans that have grown up with TCW and Rebels? (Not that some small kid asks “Where’s Ahsoka?”)

    The “slightly negative” (I do not want to judge the movie because of this, but I still have to mention it):

    Star Destroyers, the Millennium Falcon, old-school TIE fighters (where are the TIE Interceptors?), X-Wings… Hey, is this a poster for a video game set between EP IV and V? This re-used designs may be an indication that the movie relies too much on nostalgia.

    No mention of Kenny Baker?

    The disturbing:
    No mention of George Lucas. 😦 It has been speculated here why this is the case, and I fear that the negative interpretations may be true. I still hope that he gets a “Very special thanks to George Lucas” in the credits.

  17. Stefan Kraft Says:

    Honestly, I’d like to watch a movie like that. They have mainly used serious facial expressions, so you get the impression that this is Jar Jar that comes to the rescue of his friends. (He obviously did this in TPM, too, I just think that the facial expressions show that he is serious about it.)

  18. Jacobesico Says:

    There is no “Episode VII” on the poster.

    Plus the fact that George Lucas isn’t mentioned on it is a disgrace.

    It may be a good film but the fact that they had to had to bash half the saga to promote it has already tarnished it in my opinion.

    • roxam91 Says:

      While “Episode VII” isn’t on the poster, it is confirmed to appear in the opening crawl. That said, I’ve been thinking of what to think of the movie. Can it really be a saga film with no Lucas involvement. I eventually came to peace with the idea that TFA is not a saga film. There are only 6. Anything other than them is simply a spinoff. But just because something’s a spinoff doesn’t mean it can’t be good (ex. TCW). Now as to whether TFA will be good or not, well, we’ll see…

  19. susanbowes Says:

    I agree with Jacobesico wholeheartedly. Haters are already bashing Episode 7 (which is eliminated from the poster) and TFA hasn’t even come out yet. As far as Lucas not being mentioned anywhere on the poster, Disney should be ashamed of themselves!

  20. maychild Says:

    The hateboys will claim to adore this movie even if it’s insincere, for no other reason than it will give them new ways to bash Lucas and continue their campaign of hate. “This movie puts the prequels to shame!” “This movie is SW, unlike the prequels!” “JJ Abrams wins back my trust after Lucas abused it so badly!” “Why couldn’t Lucas have brought in Abrams to make the prequels?” “I bet Lucas is gnashing his teeth, eaten up with jealousy that Abrams totally pwns him and his crappy prequels.” And so on.

    How do I know? Because that’s what they did with regards to the “rival” movies and movie series that came out around the same time as the prequels. Despite claiming that LOTR/The Matrix/Whatever was the movie/movie series that the prequels should have been, they were curiously unable to actually migrate their fandom over to the sites/message boards that were actually devoted to said movies/movie series. Instead, they continued to spend most of their time on SW message boards, whining about the prequels, and only discussing their new “favorite” movie/movie series in the context of bashing the prequels.

    These jerks have already likened themselves to rape victims, molested children, battered spouses, and abused animals — they say, with no shame, that SW fans (because they represent all SW fans, of course), are cautiously optimistic after years of abuse. Anything to make themselves look like victims of Big Bad Lucas, instead of people who freely chose to spend their time, and money, on the movies Lucas made. And continued to do so, despite claiming to hate said movies. And the media just eggs them on.

    • roxam91 Says:

      The difference between TFA and those “rival” movies is that those other movies don’t have the name ‘Star Wars’ on the title. The hateboys may not want to admit it, but put ‘Star Wars’ on the title, and they will automatically be extra critical in viewing it. If it isn’t anything like the Star Wars they have fond memories of, they will hate it. It doesn’t matter whether it’s Lucas or Abrams. The only reason the hatred was directed against Lucas for so long was because Lucas was the one in charge of Star Wars for so many years. Reason there isn’t the same sort of attitude towards Disney/Kennedy/Abrams is because they haven’t had a major release yet (which’ll change this December).

      • maychild Says:

        No…I think it’s really more personal against Lucas. They really hate him, not just for making the prequels (without consulting them! The nerve!) but for not releasing the O-OT on DVD/Blu-Ray. They will love Abrams to spite Lucas. Abrams/Disney/TFA are the latest paddles they’ll use to spank Lucas and the prequels. They’re not done punishing him yet. They’re prepared to adore Abrams for no other reason than he isn’t Lucas. It’s just gravy that he’s quite blatantly catering to them — the emphasis on Han, the “jokes” about finding Jar Jar’s skeleton in the desert, the nonstop “Practical, practical, practical” hype and the backhanded (or fronthanded) swipes at the prequels. I bet there’ll be some cutesy “Han shot first” reference in TFA.

        One of the most idiotic “arguments” I’ve seen the hateboys (who aren’t all boys, of course) is that Lucas should have “listened to the fans.” Really? Which fans? The hateboys, being so self-absorbed and self-centered, automatically assume that they speak for all, or at least most, fans. (The media reinforces this belief.) They say, “Well, when there’s universal hatred of Jar Jar or of Anakin as a 9-year-old in Episode I instead of a teenager, it’s a pretty good indicator that Lucas should listen.” They really don’t get that there is nowhere NEAR “universal” hatred for Jar Jar, for 9-year-old Anakin, and so forth. It’s just that the haters are loud and get all the media attention.

      • roxam91 Says:

        *sigh*

        I’m sorry, but I have a really hard time believing all this “personal” stuff you say. Sll the stuff that hateboys complsin about (SEs and the prequels) were stuff released when Lucas wss in charge, so of course he’d be the one to get all the hate. If what you’re saying is true, then why have none of the complaints against ‘Aftermath’, a book with ties to Abrams’ TFA, even mention Lucas negatively (ironically, I’ve read some comments about how SW books thrived when Lucas was in charge).

      • roxam91 Says:

        *All the stuff*

      • Hunk a Junk Says:

        I agree with Maychild on this one. Spend some time reading the threads on originaltrilogy.com. It’s personal to those people. It’s “the PEOPLE vs. George Lucas.” “He raped MY childhood.” They’re on record trying to concoct schemes to steal prints of the O-OT so that “Star Wars will be OURS!” We’ll know their reactions in 2 months, but I wouldn’t put money on hateboys being anything but gushing in love with TFA. They succeeded in forcing Lucas away from Star Wars. This will be their crowning achievement.

      • roxam91 Says:

        “People vs. George Lucas” was basically another way of saying “People vs. The guy who is currently in charge of Star Wars”. Hateboys had no one else to direct their hatred towards to (not that I’m defending them. Not at all).

    • John Kramer Says:

      I just talking to a prequel hater, called Sam Michael on You Tube a few minutes ago. He kept saying the prequels are bad and he’s grew up in trying to make me betrayed the classic and Lucas like him.

    • andywylde77 Says:

      I got to hand it to Maychild, everything you said was spot on to a T. My sentiments exactly. The hate boys are a predictable breed. They are easy to spot in any forum or message board. There have been hate boys already loving TFA and even the entire ST since the first teaser trailer came out!

      I weep for the SW fandom I truly do. I mean if these hate boys can’t be true to themselves, then who can they be true with? Anyone who claims that a few minutes of footage is “better than the entire PT combined” think that anyone with a functioning brain can take them seriously, how could they take them selves seriously peddling that kind of garbage?

  21. hansolo1138 Says:

    Sorry, I’m new here, and I thought it didn’t post the first time.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      Hi, please read Rules of the House. All comments are moderated and if you haven’t posted before or haven’t posted much, I will have to approve your comment before it shows up. I am not monitoring the page 24/7, so it may take a while for your comments to be approved.

  22. Eduardo Jencarelli Says:

    Am I the only one who finds odd having ESPN as the venue of choice to introduce this new trailer. Who associates Star Wars with sports?

    • hansolo1138 Says:

      Disney likely decided that a lot of people would be watching that game, and wanted to show the trailer to people who might not be particularly interested in going online to see it. That way, there is a chance to raise the interests of people who are normally not interested in Star Wars (they do exist). Also, Disney owns ESPN, so that’s likely a factor.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        I think that ESPN wanted to boost viewership of Monday Night Football while the Royals/Blue Jays baseball game is on the same time.

      • hansolo1138 Says:

        If that’s true, then Disney might end up disappointed. Attaching a trailer to a single movie ( like the first Phantom Menace teaser) can sell a lot of extra tickets even if people just walk out after watching the trailer. But if viewers only watch during halftime of a football game for the trailer, I don’t think that will significantly boost ratings. I may be wrong, though.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        Trailers are not movie events anymore. Nobody is going to pay $20 to see a movie with a hit and miss chance of the trailer being attached to the film. I remember in 2001 going to two different auditoriums before catching one of the AOTC trailers with “Harry Potter.” Trailers are a bigger deal on t.v. and the internet.

      • hansolo1138 Says:

        Absolutely. People going to “Meet Joe Black” just to see the TPM trailer is the biggest it will ever be. But do you think that the trailer will boost ratings if people simply tune in to watch the trailer? If they tune in as halftime begins, and instantly change the channel after it airs, will that affect the ratings of the game?

      • lazypadawan Says:

        It wouldn’t help a whole lot but most people will watch at least the first half as to not risk missing it.

    • Jim Raynor Says:

      I think linking the trailer to a big non-fanboy show is the whole point. Fanboys are the 1% (and that’s grossly overstating their influence). The geeks won’t make this movie succeed or fail. The mainstream audience will.

  23. hansolo1138 Says:

    Does anyone think that George Lucas could sue for this? Star Wars is his brainchild, and not mentioning him on this poster seems tantamount to not mentioning Siegel and Shuster in the credits of a Superman comic. I’m not asking whether or not Lucas SHOULD sue, or whether or not he would win, I am asking if anyone would even consider the case.

    • Jacobesico Says:

      He’s got more class then Abrams, Kennedy, Disney, Simon Pegg and the rest of the haters put together.

      I don’t think he will. True Star Wars fans (Simon Pegg and the rest of the OT blowhards not included) know that Star Wars is his Saga.

      He’s just going to let them get on with it.

      • Jonathan Says:

        YES. I definitely agree with you. At least on the last part. I don’t honestly know enough about the people you mentioned to make any sort of critique on them, but I trust that you know more than me so I at least kinda feel where you’re coming from.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I agree. Lucas has washed his hands of the saga and who can blame him after the way he’s been treated, not only by the haters, but Disney as well. Kennedy and the rest stabbed him in the back. A Palpatine move for sure!

    • roxam91 Says:

      The strange thing is that Lucas is even credited in ‘Rebels’, a show he had no involvement in. Should his name not appear anywhere during the credits of TFA, then something definitely isn’t right.

    • susanbowes Says:

      Disney stole Star Wars from Lucas by not using any of his ideas. Lucas should sue, but he won’t. He’s walked away from Star Wars completely and I uphold his decision. A smart man knows when to give up and Lucas has proved he’s a brilliant man. Kudos to him!

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Yep this I completely agree with. He is and always be the better man in any situation that arises. Lucas IS and always will be the heart and soul of SW. Nothing and I mean nothing will ever be able to take that away from him.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I totally agree with Lucas’ decision too. How much abuse can one man take? He’s washed his hands of the whole deal and anyone with any sense knows he did the right thing.

      • andywylde77 Says:

        I do wish he didn’t sell, but I can understand why he did. But would it be too much to ask these people to let the man be? He is retired. If anyone has any issues with SW they need to take it up with Kathy Kennedy and that dog and pony show they are running over at Disney!

      • susanbowes Says:

        I agree 100%. Leave Mr. Lucas alone already. He’s been through enough!

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Yep he is retired now and I hope he is enjoying that retirement as well.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I hope so too, but with the new movie coming out he’s still getting bashed by the haters all the more. Poor man! He just can’t get a break.

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Yeah one of the really unfortunate facts that we all know. I am just going to ignore all the garbage that is said and just pretend that I didn’t hear it.

      • susanbowes Says:

        Me too. I’ve defended Mr. Lucas and Hayden until I’m blue in the face and it still doesn’t make a difference with the haters. I give up trying. It’s pointless talking to a brick wall.

      • andywylde77 Says:

        So very, very true. I have done the same myself time and time again. But I will always know along with many others who the heart and soul of SW is. And that is Mr. Lucas.

      • susanbowes Says:

        Most definitely! George Lucas IS Star Wars! Nobody will EVER be able to take that away from him, no matter how hard they try!

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Exactly! That is something truly believe.

  24. Sergey Holod Says:

    I have a strange suspicion that Luke Skywalker is on the poster. Just for some reason he’s wearing Darth Revan’s mask. And this is indeed looks like KOTOR’s poster.

  25. Jim Raynor Says:

    I have no doubt that some cognitive dissonance will be at work once this movie comes out, and that some hateboys will claim to like it (or say that at least it’s superior to Lucas’s work) even if they didn’t really enjoy the film. But I also wouldn’t underestimate the power of hate when it comes to the overly vocal, bitter segments of the fanbase.

    Obsessive fanboys will take any opportunity to complain, because they’re generally pessimistic and depressed people. They whine about Marvel movies and Chris Nolan’s Batman films, as wildly successful as those are. They can be even worse for Star Wars.

    I’m committee to staying 100% spoiler free, but I must admit to being a big curious about what this rumored Luke spoiler is. I believe in optimism, and I generally don’t like taking pleasure in other people’s unhappiness. But if the hardcore Star Wars hatedom ends up disappointed by their “savior” JJ Abrams, I wouldn’t be able to say that they didn’t have it coming.

    One good scenario from my POV: The Force Awakens is awesome, almost everyone loves it, but the hateboys keep on whining and get exposed for the bitter jerks that they are. It’s way overdue for fandom and the geek media to leave their most hateful elements behind.

    • roxam91 Says:

      *clapping*

      I wholeheartedly agree, Jim.

    • may_child Says:

      I believe in optimism, and I generally don’t like taking pleasure in other people’s unhappiness.

      Commendable, Jim, but I do take pleasure (albeit of the grim sort) in other people’s unhappiness, if the people in question have been making a concerted effort to drag other people into said unhappiness, for no reason whatsoever except spite. It’s the same with schoolyard bullies…they set about to make others miserable, so IMO they deserve any misery that comes to them.

      The hateboys act like it’s their full-time job, not merely to trash the prequels, but to assail anyone who dares like them, verbally or even physically. Hence the “humorous” bits like hassling a kid in a store for picking up a Jar Jar toy. Yeah, real funny. Do they mess around with little kids trick or treating at Halloween, trying to steal their loot, too? And of course the charming people who say they want to beat Lucas to death with a shovel, and who get touted as heroes by the hateboys for saying so.

    • andywylde77 Says:

      Oh yeah I mean as I have stated many times before that the hate boys already have this movie being better than the entire PT! This started back when the first teaser trailer first surfaced, There is no dealing with stupidity of this magnitude.

      It really comes as no surprise. This film for the most part will be the biggest nostalgia hand job in cinematic history! And the hate boys will lap it up and ask for seconds.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I have to disagree with you andywylde77. Most of the comments I’ve read made by the haters about TFA have been put downs, but mainly against JJ because they don’t think he has talent. Personally, I think he did a great job with Star Trek, and because of that I think TFA will be a great addition to the saga.

        On the other hand you may be right about some of the haters claiming to like TFA. They’ll say that TFA is magnificent just because Lucas wasn’t involved.

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Yeah I personally don’t have an issue with Abrams himself. I just don’t find his work that appealing to me. But that is just me. But I know that there have been a lot of people that have declared that TFA is better than the entire PT. I know those are just ignorant comments, but for me it just gets tiring of reading nonsense like that.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I don’t understand how anyone could claim to like TFA before seeing the entire movie. In my opinion that’s being completely ridiculous. I believe it’s going to be a good movie, but I can’t say for sure it will be because I haven’t seen it yet.

        In my opinion, I think Revenge was the best in the saga (so far) because we learn Darth Vader’s backstory – and lets face it, without Vader being in the film in some form – it’s not really Star Wars. Not for me anyway. From the trailers I’ve seen about TFA, there’s one who will seek revenge in Vader’s name. Of course, I think the movie would be much better if Anakin’s ghost was included, but I’ll have to settle with Vader being avenged.

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Yeah I hope that we see Anakin’s ghost at least interact with Luke. That is something I have always wanted to see.

      • susanbowes Says:

        Me too. I wrote a fanfiction and Anakin’s ghost is in it, but he isn’t Luke’s mentor – he’s Luke’s nephew’s mentor. You’d have to read my book to understand. You can download my story for free from smashwords.com. Title is Malignant Metamorphosis by Forcechild. (my pen-name)

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Cool! I will definitely check it out. Even if they have Anakin just talking with Luke would be cool enough for me.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I think you’ll like my fanfiction a lot. It was narrated over a SW fan radio station and an actor from the original movie heard it. Believe it or not he called me to tell me how much he liked my story. That totally blew me away!

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Oh really? That sounds nice. I will definitely check it out sometime over the weekend. I look forward to it.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I’m pretty sure you’ll be surprised by who my villain is and how he comes into existence. It isn’t exactly a new idea now, but back when I first posted MM on the internet nobody else had written about clones or transference. That kind of gives you a hint, but I go even further than any other SW author has – the way my villain was created. I wish I could explain fully what I mean, but I don’t want to give anything away.

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Sounds good. I will be checking it out for sure.

      • susanbowes Says:

        That’s fantastic! You’ll have to let me know what you think of it when done. Do you have a facebook account? If so, we can become friends there and get into chat. That would be great. 🙂

      • andywylde77 Says:

        Sure no doubt. FaceBook.com DJAndyWylde

        You can send a FR.

      • susanbowes Says:

        Awesome. I’ll go to facebook today and send a friend request under the name Susan Bowes. 🙂

  26. Jonathan Says:

    Hey I just have some concerns about the new Star Wars movie and I’m hoping somebody will be able to engage in a brief discussion with me, either because they agree with me or because they understand things that I don’t and can reassure me that this will turn out okay. First, it seems weird to me that JJ Abrams says he’s a huge star Wars fan but doesn’t ask for any of George Lucas’s input on what the story should be like or anything else related to the movie’s creation. Also, although I have nothing against the decision itself, I feel that Disney probably chose a female lead character and a black other lead character just for the sake of appearing politically correct and appealing to more people. Again, it normally wouldn’t bother me, but it seems that Disney is trying to do that a lot recently, and if the story happens to be told with white guys in the front then that’s how it is. Not that all stories have to be, but you see my point I hope. Also, it seems that if they just call it “Star Wars: The Force Awakens”, and don’t put “Episode 7”, then it wouldn’t necessarily be considered canon. I mean, I know it would legally be canon because Disney has the rights to produce the movies, but I would tend to respect George Lucas’s views or ideas for the Star Wars story, seeing as he’s the original creator. Sorry in advance for any grammatical errors.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      Let me jump in here before someone else does.

      It’s true…Disney is politically correct as all get out as most big corporations are these days. Everyone is afraid of offending people and setting off what I call the diversity cops. That said I have no idea why actors were cast in various parts. I come from the “best and most logical person for the part” school and I should hope that’s the primary reason used to cast anyone in the film. Lucas tried to mix it up as best he could while casting the previous films. Lando Calrissian was not written to be a black guy but Lucas wanted Billy Dee Williams, partially to add a mix but mostly because Williams’s personality fit the part. Mace Windu may or may not have been written for a black actor but Lucas had Samuel L. Jackson brought in because Jackson publicly asked for a part because he was a big fan and I think Lucas was flattered someone of that caliber wanted to be a part of the saga. Lucas originally wanted cast a black actor as Han Solo and considered hiring Asians to play Leia and Obi-Wan Kenobi. (Toshiro Mifune was asked to play Obi-Wan and turned it down.) There was no PC in the mid ’70s.

      By the way, all of the Star Wars films to date have had leading ladies. Carrie Fisher and Natalie Portman were hardly sitting on the bench the whole time.

      • Jonathan Says:

        That’s true. I think it just feels a little bit different this time because there’s only two main characters, plus the OT3, whereas the other films seems to have a handful of important characters in the story at a given time. Don’t mistake me for a Leia or Padmé hater, I think they’re fantastic!

    • roxam91 Says:

      I really don’t see what a character’s race or gender has to do with anything. Both trilogies had a leading female character, and the ST will be no different. And so what if Finn is black? As long as the story is good and a worthy entry entry to the saga, that is all that matters. I have some concerns regarding TFA, but having a black and female as part of the main cast is not one of them.

      • Jonathan Says:

        Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with it at all. I obviously wasn’t there when the casting decisions were made, but I feel like the diversity of casting members in this film is not for the sake of diversity itself, but for the sake of getting more viewers, money, fans, etc. There were black people and female leads in the other movies, and its not a problem that they’re the main characters, but I feel like making them the two main characters above anybody else makes it seem like Disney is trying to gain everybody’s favor through their casting decisions. I didn’t mean to start arguments or seem prejudiced, so my apologies if that’s how it came across.

      • susanbowes Says:

        I totally agree with you.

    • Noah Evans Says:

      (Sigh… I made a vow to not bring politics on this site…. but, since we’re on this bridge again..)

      To add to this, and not to be the inspector that snoops to point it out all the time, but there is also the matter of hypocrisy in it (and cluelessness). To start off, saying “look, we have WOMEN IN ACTION now” is a slap to Leia and Padme. Plus, there were also other characters like Sam Weesel, a Naboo Pilot, and should I count the Clone Wars to? Another factor is comic-relief. It is difficult to name any female funny characters (all I can name for western culture is Dory the Fish, Harley Quinn, Vanellope von Schweetz?… the rest can be found in Japan), and with that, I am not sure if the public would accept a sisterly duo of R2 and 3PO, as well as Jane Jane Binks (and that would add to the crazy controversy the Gungan already has, especially since he is so “racist”)

    • jarjarbacktattooguy Says:

      Nobody hates political correctness more than I and I always point it out when I see it. I just don’t see that being an issue in this case.

      Don’t you think it’s time we had a female main character? This is a good decision on several levels. Yeah, there is the gender equality issue of course. But there is also the novelty of seeing the story from a female perspective, front and center. Females are different from males, and that is what makes them interesting. Experiencing the story from that perspective adds a whole new, fresh layer to the saga.

      There has always been a warm, thoughtful, expressive and soft side to Star Wars. Yes, males can be all of those things, but those qualities are more representative of women. Leia and Padme were all that, but would also blast your ass off if you posed a threat to them! They were the whole package, and hopefully Rey will be the same.

      So, females and Star Wars are a good match. Star Wars is not nearly as macho as everyone makes it out to be.

      As far as the black actor goes, again it is time for there to be a lead character who is of that ethnicity. There are still plenty of white people in the movie. All of the audience should be represented, people feel more comfortable when they see people who look like themselves.

      There are a lot of complicated reasons why there are not more black lead actors, but I will not get into that here. I will just say there is enough blame to go around for that. Everyone always wants to blame this side or that side, but never blame themselves for racism.

      There should be no controversy about John Boyega’s casting. I think he will be great!

      • susanbowes Says:

        I give Lucas a lot of credit for giving Leia and Padme important roles in the movies. They were pretty bad ass and weren’t afraid to take on the enemies of the Republic. Lucas was ahead of the times in that respect. Hopefully Rey will continue the strength Leia and Padme held.

        As far as the racist issue – a black actor holding an important position in SW isn’t anything new. Lando (Billy Dee) had a major role in TESB and ROTJ. And who can forget James Earl Jones as the voice of Darth Vader? Saying Jones was a minor character, even by just lending his voice as Vader, is a misconception. A stronger role couldn’t be held by anyone.

      • lisse Says:

        @susanbowes i agree somewhat about lando but he still wasn’t a big three character like luke, leia, or han. if there’s one thing i like about tfa, it’s that brown and black kids will be able to see themselves as young heroic figures. from personal experience, from anecdotal experience of poc actors, and from studies done on media representation and self-esteem, this is important for children. this is literally the only thing that interests me about tfa right now and we’ll see if the quality of the movie lives up to my cursory interest.

      • susanbowes Says:

        True, Lando wasn’t as important a figure as Luke, Leia, or Han in the first movies, but he still had an important role where the whole saga is concerned. He did lead the attack against the Empire’s forces, which led to the destruction of the second Death Star where the Emperor and Darth Vader died – resulting in Anakin’s redemption. All of which are extremely important facts to the SW saga.

        Lando also holds an important position in the fanfiction I wrote. (Malignant Metamorphosis – free to download from smashwords.com)

  27. darth66zannah Says:

    where is Based on “Star Wars” created by George Lucas?! I feel that Disney is personally giving me the middle finger for being a saga fan. This movie is for the OT crowd, not me…therefore I won’t see it.

    • susanbowes Says:

      I’m a fan of George Lucas’ saga and will still see episode 7, regardless of Mr. Lucas being given credit for the movie or not. We’ve waited too long for the saga to continue not to see TFA – good or not. Personally – I think the movie would be much better if Lucas’ ideas were used, but I’ll probably still love TFA just because it’s Star Wars.

  28. Steve Bragg Says:

    The militant purists over at originaltrilogy.com, the ones who have hatred of the prequels and special editions are ready willing and able to hate this one too, as I’ve read. Very dogmatic bunch.

  29. maychild Says:

    If Lucas had had anything to do with TFA, I bet that the same hateboys who are gushing over this poster would instead be condemning it, for the apparent “Death Star”-like thingie (lack of originality), for Leia’s hairdo (why can’t he stop torturing the poor woman with those hairdos?), for featuring Han prominently (he’s just using the most popular SW character to push the movie), and so forth. But since Lucas isn’t involved, all is good and splendid and a masterpiece. It was like that for the trailers too, and I’m sure it’ll be that way for tonight’s trailer. Total CGI blindness, and a ferocious determination to see Abrams as the savior of SW.

    • jarjarbacktattooguy Says:

      In a way I’m glad Lucas had nothing to do with TFA, because the haters can’t blame him for everything now.

      The problem is, now they are being too nice, and not being critical at all. It’s one extreme to the other.

      • Hunk a Junk Says:

        I’ve already seen people blaming Lucas for names they don’t like or the title. When it’s pointed out that Lucas wasn’t involved, they just double-down and say Lucas is still to blame because somehow it’s written in his super secret Disney contract that JJ must do certain things. No really.

      • susanbowes Says:

        Lucas most likely didn’t agree to give up absolute control to Disney when he sold Lucasfilms to them and they might have had to agree to “think” about his input on extended SW episodes, but we already know that Disney reneged on the deal and aren’t using his suggestions at all. Kennedy pulled a Sith move and betrayed her former employer, stabbing Lucas in the back!

  30. Noah Evans Says:

    Wow… TOO many comments to read….

    Aside from that, my only two issues with the poster itself (and not the story it tells) is that it isn’t a painting (if they couldn’t get Drew, there are thousands of artists who serious need good ca$h) and how it resembles almost every other photoshoped poster out there (which begs the question, “What happened to movie posters?”)

  31. Tarrlok Says:

    Captain Phasma, front and centre with her fabulous cape, backed up by her First Order fellows! Reminds me of some of the AOTC posters.

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