Dave Filoni On Fandom Divisions

Reader Bret Bright on the SWPAS Facebook page noted that the Sept. 11, 2015 edition of Rebel Force Radio featured a short discussion between one of the guys from RFR and Dave Filoni about the divisions in fandom. Filoni had quite a bit to say about how he approached Clone Wars and Rebels in viewing Star Wars as a whole. If you don’t have time to listen to the whole two hour show, the talk with Filoni starts around 1 hour eight minutes and change into the podcast.

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22 Responses to “Dave Filoni On Fandom Divisions”

  1. Alessio Pasquali Says:

    I really loved Dave Filoni’s words on how the divide between Prequel Trilogy and Original Trilogy fans has come up to this point. I really feel sorry for those fans who couldn’t love the Prequels (i.e. Simon Pegg) as they did with the original trilogy. And, I like what Dave says about the reason people not loving the Prequels is because they aren’t seeing through the eyes of kids. It kind of reminds me of what one guy in The People Vs. George Lucas said about why people dislike Jar Jar and that is because “it’s not the character. It’s with the older fanboys of Star Wars who have forgotten what it’s like to be kids”. Simon Pegg is one of them. I really hope to spot Dave at NYCC on Thursday before Rebels Season 2 panels so I can thank him for seeing both trilogies of Star Wars as canon. I have faith we’ll see some PT callbacks in TFA outside of that alleged shot of the bones of Jar Jar. In that first teaser trailer, we see podracers and pod racer engines when we see BB-8 roll along the plains of Jakku. And, in the second trailer we hear scores from the PT of Vader’s birth when we see his burnt helmet. Also, in that BTS-reel, we see concept art of an individual wearing a pit driod head along with a shot of R2-KT, who was from Clone Wars, a Star Wars Prequel-era animated series. So, I have a little belief some PT connections will be in The Force Awakens. But, as Jason says, this is why we love Dave Filoni, because he loves all Star Wars, including the Prequels, which I do, too.

    • piccolojr1138 Says:

      I really doubt those are podracers. We can see the same prop on Rogue One’s rebel base… Podracers would be useless in this place.

      If you look closely, the droid’s head isn’t like the pit droid.

      http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/25/PitDroids_CVD.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120208024526

      And R2-KT wasn’t created for The Clone Wars http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R2-KT

      So unfortunately, there isn’t any reference to the prequels in TFA promotional stuff… I doubt the film will be different.

      • Alessio Pasquali Says:

        I disagree. And, I don’t mean the pic from the panel. Look closely in the BTS reel and look very closely for concept art of the guy with the pit droid head it’ll be at time mark 1:42 in the video. Look very closely. And look in the first teaser trailer and you’ll see a podracer where BB-8 is rolling on Jakku. It looks like a green vehicle that may be a podracer. Look at time mark 0:32. BTW, R2-KT may not have been created for Clone Wars, but she made her first “canon” appearance in Clone Wars. So, she is a Prequel nod. And, I believe we WILL see some Prequel Trilogy nods. So, look twice, man. You’ll see things more clearly.

      • piccolojr1138 Says:

        This vehicle isn’t a podracer, as you can see in this concept art : http://www.starwars-universe.com/images/dossiers/episode7_bis/fuites_conceptarts/31.jpg

        And you’re right about the droid’s concept art, it looks more like the pit droid. But will he be in the movie ? We don’t know for sure.

        It is tempting to cling on to the slightest detail, but I prefer to accept the fact that Abrams and Kennedy don’t care much about the prequels…

  2. Hunk a Junk Says:

    It can’t be said enough that the divide in Star Wars fandom has NOT been created by PT fans. It’s entirely the fault of bitter, narcissistic and self-absorbed OT hateboys who have been invested in their hate for George Lucas since the Ewoks. On sites like this, we PT fans push back and point out hateboy hypocrisy, but make no mistake that if the Simon Peggs of the world would simply have the courtesy to like what they like and allow others to like what THEY liked, fandom would get along just fine. The hate is coming exclusively from their side.

    • Alessio Pasquali Says:

      Agreed.

    • madmediaman Says:

      Yes. As one of those fans who watched the OT during its original run (I was 9 when ANH hit theaters in 77), it’s the same grumpy bastards who called Lucas a sellout in 83 with the Ewoks….

      Hell, I briefly became one of them, but came to my senses a few years later when I was packing away my old Star Wars toys to go into storage, and noticed the box on my Landspeeder said “Appropriate For Ages 5 and Up.”

      Fandom has always sucked to a degree, but it only got worse when any jackhole with access to the interweb super freeway information nets suddenly had a platform to spew their vile hatred. Previously, this was limited to obnoxious confrontations in the local comic shop, or heated rants at a local science fiction convention… now the crazies are set loose on the world.

  3. Daniel Xie Says:

    The hateboys biggest charge against us is that we accuse them of not being true star wars fans. How so? I am aware of that accusation thrown around a lot and I disagree with it, however, I know a lot of Star Wars fans want the Hateboys to talk positively about what they liked about the OT or the OOT over endless ranting and raving about what was bad. I myself have friends that don’t like the PT or find it crap, but we agree to disagree and it dosne’t mean either of us are or aren’t “true fans”. Prequel fans imo actually question the whole true fans dogma, by contrast the most zealous hateboys use every moment of their time to shove Plinkett’s worldviews.

    I know we don’t want to get political but the hateboys really sound like the supporters of a politician in my country that I really hate and I know a lot of people in my circle of friends also do(we’re hoping he gets out really soon). I am not gonna dwell any more about this or who I am referring to because this is a political issue not for here, but you get the point.

  4. Sergey Holod Says:

    It was said many times on this site that hateboys are people without life. And I’m inclined to think this is true. Only a person without obligation, commitment, or occupation can spend so much time and waste so many emotions for a thing that isn’t real. Because “Star Wars” is a fantasy. Once you treat a fantasy like a real thing you fall into a trap. A fantasy may raise real feelings but it is still a tool. It is a tool that helps us to love each other – it is pointless to love fantasy for its own sake. Hateboys are people who prefer to live in a fantasy world, and every disturbance in this world is painful. It is like a disaster.

    Yet everything is “a big deal” with “Star Wars” somehow.

    Just look at the fate of “Star Wars Galaxies”. Every change that was made in this on-line game was met by flood of hatred from “fans”. And often this hatred was channeled directly towards George Lucas. Yet when I look at other on-line games I find that changes are common thing in this genre. “The Lord of the Rings On-line” is changing every couple of years. “World of Warcraft: Cataclysm” has changed the map itself without much fuss from fans. Imagine how it would be if it was “Star Wars”. And when they closed this “hateful” and “unpopular” “Star Wars Galaxies” one could enjoy once again the flood of complaints and curses from “fans”.

    Whatever is happening with “Star Wars” it is always a bigger deal than a similar thing in other franchise.

    Just look at James Bond movies. Every movie is different, and people just ignore those that don’t meet their preferences. Personally I don’t like latest James Bond movies. They are like clones of “Ronin” to me. They are too serious. I like the “goofy style” of 1980s. I like Roger Moore and Timothy Dalton. And I know exactly why some people hate them. Yet differences between various actors and movies never lead to a conflict between fans of James Bond. As I said they simply prefer to ignore things and people they don’t like.

    In “Star Wars” fandom all differences lead to a major conflict, as it seems to me.

    Why is that? I can’t imagine.

    “Star Wars” is a powerful fantasy, indeed. Perhaps, the most powerful. But I don’t think it can be an answer for intolerance amongst its fans.

    I can ignore the existence of hateboys, but the mere knowledge that in the world of “Star Wars” can exist people with so much evil intentions fill me with pain. It is painful to hear their comments. It is painful to think about them. What it is in “Star Wars” that can sustain such a division?

    • Hunk a Junk Says:

      Like most other conflicts in the world (politics, religion, money) it comes down to control. Who has the power to make decisions for themselves and other people. People pursue money, weapons and supernatural allies (God is on MY side, not yours!) because it gives them control (You have to do what I say).

      In Star Wars fandom, most of the hatred comes from a battle for control of the franchise. Hateboys despise George Lucas for one main reason: he wouldn’t do what they wanted. Them: “We don’t like Ewoks!” George: “Tough. I do.” Them: “We don’t like the changes you’ve made to the originals!” George: “Then don’t watch them, but I want my movies the way I want them.” Them: “We hate the prequels!” George: “Okay, but that’s the story I’m telling.” The source of hateboy frustration stems from the fact that George Lucas had the money and independence to ignore them. He didn’t say, “Oh, you don’t like Greedo shooting first? I’m so sorry. I’ll change that back for you.” So over the years their frustration just built and built and built to the point where they hated George Lucas so much that they couldn’t even fathom how he’d even created Star Wars in the first place. It had to have been Gary Kurtz or Marcia Lucas or Lawrence Kasdan. THEY really made Star Wars and George stole it from them (that’s the “Secret History” Shhh!) Almost every online debate about Star Wars quickly becomes a pissing match about how the stories SHOULD be told. Every incident is spun, every critique is molded with the intention of trying to influence the direction of the franchise. Why are Star Wars fans always making petitions and issuing calls to arms every time some news breaks? Because they want a say in how the story is told! They want to sit in the director’s chair. They want a vote on whether the O-OT is released on the highest quality format of the moment. They want veto power over whether the prequels are canon or not.

      Now, sadly, they’ve gotten their way. Now, Disney shareholders will listen to them (as long as the money rolls in). Hateboys: “We hated the prequels!” Disney: “Oh! Well, we’re making OUR movies like the ones you like (with “practical effects” wink-wink).” I read all the time hateboys calling this the most exciting time ever in the history of Star Wars. For them, of course it is. They finally know that their years of bitching has paid off. They succeeded in wrestling control of Star Wars away from the one guy who was denying them what they wanted: a say in how the story is told. Kathleen Kennedy threw them the red meat. “Star Wars really belongs to the fans!” It doesn’t, but it’s exactly what the hateboys had been longing to hear.

      • Sergey Holod Says:

        All of this is true, of course. Still it is sad.

        “Star Wars” is ended for me as an ongoing experience. Now it is history. A matter for nostalgia.

        The resurrection of Dave Filoni’s “The Clone Wars” is the only thing I’m looking forward to. But it is a weak hope.

      • Alessio Pasquali Says:

        At least, Disney and Lucasfilm decided both the Prequels and the Original Trilogy are canon, along with Clone Wars and Rebels.

      • piccolojr1138 Says:

        Like the prequels, the new movies will be adressed to a global audience. When those guys will realize that on December 18th, there will be a new split.

  5. Jacobesico Says:

    If there is one person that I would pick to continue the legacy of George Lucas, it would be Dave Filoni.

    I’ve enjoyed both The Clone Wars and Rebels and he really knows how to tell a story in the same fashion as George Lucas.

    I quite like The Ewoks. I think they’re funny. It’s been sixteen years since The Phantom Menace but I’m starting to notice echoes of The Gungans in the Ewoks. The primative culture taking on the advanced one and winning. Warick Wicket shares similar characteristics with Jar Jar Binks ect..

    The Prequels have definitely changed the way I view the Originals. I’m sure that future generations would look back on The Prequels and make more connections. Also, I’m sure that future generations would look back at all the splits in fandom and laugh.

    Hopefully.

    • Sergey Holod Says:

      From the day I have seen “The Ewoks” duology I wanted it to be re-released with some CGI improvements. I liked it immensely. These are good stories even though not so large in scope as some of “The Clone Wars” episodes.

      I wanted all deleted Tatooine scenes from “A New Hope” to be restored and released with CGI additions.

      Now, with all this “practical effects” hysteria, it is simply impossible. I understand that. And it is sad. Though, perhaps, I’m the only one who wants all deleted material from “Star Wars” to be restored and completed with necessary visual effects.

      I am sure future generations will look at “Star Wars” as a whole. There is a snag though: many people will see Episodes VII – IX as an equal part of the saga. Regardless of the fact whether the Sequels will be good or bad movies, one should always know that Sequels weren’t done by George Lucas. I think it is a duty of every true “Star Wars” fan to explain this fact to friends: Episodes VII – IX isn’t George Lucas’. Episodes VII – IX were done by people who have no respect towards George Lucas.

    • roxam91 Says:

      Totally agree about Filoni and his work on both TCW and even Rebels (which still has some influence from Lucas given that he and Filoni have had discussions on where Ahsoka’s story goes from her final scene in TCW). I do wish Filoni had a higher position in Lucasfilm rather than just running an animated show or two. He deserves it, and so do we as sags fans.

      • roxam91 Says:

        *saga

      • Alessio Pasquali Says:

        Yeah. I promise to thank Filoni for making his statement that he sees the Star Wars saga as a whole from his work on Clone Wars and Rebels. I’m not giving up hope that we’ll see some PT nods in the ST or the Star Wars Story films. I do however think Filoni should have been the one to run LFL after George retired. But, at least he still has his job there and that’s why fans love him and show no disrespect to him at all, unlike GL sadly. To all those haters of GL, I hope u all like TFA when it comes out this Christmas. I know I will. But, with rumors of how TFA ends that may be an indication that we may not see the Big Three reunite on screen, you’ll have learned not run George Lucas of off Star Wars. He created all of that and you should be thankful of it. Instead, you “fans” call him a “childhood raper” and criticize his work on Star Wars. Need I remind those “fans” that he directed and wrote ANH. But, instead, you “fans” gave Gary Kurtz love instead of George Lucas.

      • roxam91 Says:

        Is it bad that I can’t wait to see the fanboys’ reaction to TFA and to hear them complain how it ruined their childhood… again?

  6. Alessio Pasquali Says:

    Let’s not also forget another sad fact relating to George retiring which is that his daughter, Katie, whose wrote 4 of the best story arcs in The Clone Wars, was essentially, 4 years ago, run off of Twitter, from either more PT bashers or fat shamers. You know, it’s really sad that there’s a whole ugly side to fandom, not just in Star Wars, but in other things in general, like Marvel. I mean when you think about what Joss Whedon went through after the last Avengers movie, Age of Ultron, when he quit Twitter over criticism of how Black Widow and Quicksilver were handled in the film. And, then when you remember Katie Lucas quitting Twitter, it makes it even entirely heartbreaking to say the least. So, good for Filoni for telling his wife not to read comments that are about people taking pod shots at you, because he always manages to stay above the fray. So, it’s really a shame there’s an ugly side of fandom as you people in this article say.

  7. Brian47 Says:

    It was a nice non-interview/casual conversation with Filoni, though you have to sort through a tedious hour of these guys just chatting about what they bought on Force Friday. Filoni has a great perspective on the saga as a whole, He stated the qualities of the PT that he liked, acknowledging that its different from the OT but that’s just fine. Him being the apprentice and GL the master during the years on TCW was just perfect.

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