Shame On Younger Bashers

Listen up, Gen Y/Millennials. Get your noses up from your devices a minute and prepare for a little dress down from Sgt. LP.

Many people talk about older Star Wars fans as being very attached to Eps IV-VI and are primarily the most vocal of the anti-PT brigade. It might have been true in 1999 and for many years afterward. There are a lot of people like that around today, middle-aged neckbeards and nerd fraus raging about raped childhoods and what have you.

But do they really make up all of the anti-prequel trolls who seem to have endless time on their hands to search out any location on the internet where they can negatively comment on the movies?

Someone made a sad comment on the SWPAS Facebook page a couple of days ago. He said that the majority of bashers he knew were born in the ‘90s. Every now and then I’ll see a comment like, “I saw TPM when I was 8 years old and I really loved it. But now I realize how stupid it was and I hate it now, blah blah blah.”

I know most of you who grew up with the PT still stand by Star Wars and that’s great. But I think we have to acknowledge that too many of you are also guilty of driving the hate wagon. You can’t say somebody raped your childhood, but you certainly betrayed your own. You took your eight or ten year old self’s joy away, and looked back at yourself with disdain for failing to be the awesome know-it-all geek dude you perceive yourself to be today. That’s pathetic.

It’s true many Star Wars fans in my age group sort of left the saga behind during their teen and early adult years, burying it away because they didn’t want to be thought of as uncool or immature. This was during the so-called Dark Ages of the mid-80s to early ‘90s. But you know something? It meant so much to us and we missed it so much, it didn’t take long before we brought it back and by gum, we made it cool. We ran out to buy “Heir to the Empire” and “Dark Empire” and the Star Wars renaissance of the’90s began. You kids benefited from that renaissance. You got to enjoy SW in an era where it was bigger and better for the saga than even when we were kids.

You may not know this, but not everyone back in the day loved Star Wars. But at least people like Pauline Kael and John Simon were reasonably intelligent and well-respected film critics who took the art of cinema seriously, writing for the most respected publications of the time. We still weren’t convinced by people like them. We knew what we loved and we stuck by it. You junior bashers on the other hand surrendered your convictions to illiterate rants and tweets from total strangers, online bullies, stupid jokes, moronic videos, bloggers talking out of their rear ends, and know-nothings who got gigs writing for Kotaku, Gamespot, i09, Cracked.com, etc.. In other words, you sold out what meant something to you based on the opinions of fools. I’ll grant that Star Wars fandom has not been very supportive of you, but come on.

I stuck it out with Star Wars through ups and downs, through thick and thin, uphill both ways in the snow. That’s what it means to be a fan. You love it because you love it, not because other people tell you it’s okay or cool to love it. You don’t abandon it when it’s not popular and you certain don’t turn on it because it’s the thing to do.

So drop the ‘tude and come back to the light. Your inner 9-year-old is waiting.

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90 Responses to “Shame On Younger Bashers”

  1. madmediaman Says:

    Beautifully said Lazy…

  2. M. Marshall Says:

    That’s the problem, these whipperbashers base every single one of their opinions on what they see on the internet. It amazes me how people now believe that the everlasting merit of a film is based on whether critics liked or hated it. So if critics hated a movie, it’s set in stone. The prequels aren’t the only movies who suffer from this.

  3. Bob Clark Says:

    I think it’s mostly a matter of trying to fit in. Or, at the very least, accepting “common knowledge” and not rocking the boat over something that, like most people, they’re just casually into. You see a lot of stuff get mocked that way. I mean, there’s times when I feel like the only person who actually likes Sting anymore…

  4. Slicer87 Says:

    “total strangers, online bullies, stupid jokes, moronic videos, bloggers talking out of their rear ends, and know-nothings who got gigs writing for Kotaku, Gamespot, i09, Cracked.com, etc.”

    I would also add Rifftrax, MST3K fan sites, and so-called online critics like RLM and Doug Walker. I am also a MST3K fan but I have stopped going to MST3K sites because they bash the prequels all the time, Rifftrax is even worse. I guess they are like that because Mike Nelson really hates the prequels, he seems to hate everything that isn’t LOTR. However, his silly opinions influences his tweeny bobber fanbase which infects other sites, RLM does so even more.

    • Keith Palmer Says:

      That raises an “ouch” from me; I’m something of a “MSTie” myself… I do keep visiting “Satellite News” so far as MST3K sites go, but perhaps I don’t always look deeply into the comments threads there. In any case, I’m perpetually glad the original show taped its last episodes before TPM premiered, and I very early on hit “no sale” territory for both Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic, the recent project of the other half of the “Best Brains.” The fan works called “MSTings” weren’t exactly always pleasant from when TPM premiered until that community dried up, either.

    • Slicer87 Says:

      It is sad when two things you are fans of are conflicting. Even on Satellite news the comments have some PT hate going on. I am also glad MST3K ended the same year TPM came out. Though back in the MST3K days Mike said he hated Luke Skywalker, so I guess he never was much of a SW fan. Rifftrax always seemed to be more mean spirited than MST3K anyway and its quality has been declining. At least Lucas never had to beg money from his fans to keep his company going like Mike has been doing. Cinematic Titanic is no more, the whole gang quit it.

  5. darth66zannah Says:

    brilliant. may i quote this in my upcoming film?

  6. Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

    I’ve never been a true basher, but I did spend a few agonizing years as an “apologist” and it’s one of my biggest regrets that I was duped into that. It’s so easy to fall into the peer pressure when you really don’t have the information to combat it.

    That’s why sites like this are important. Why people like Lazy, Paul, Eddie, and the sadly defunct “Certain Point of View” are important. It’s why I struggle to make a column as often as possible even though I’ve long run out of things to say. It’s the dissent! It’s the information that people need to rebut the negativity. They need to be shown that WE’RE the ones with the cultural and cinematic knowledge. That there’s more to artistic criticism than just making fun of things.

    The trouble is, some of these people you mentioned are close. Some of them do have snippets of the larger truth. But when it comes to Star Wars they’re blinded. We need to open as many eyes as possible. We can’t be written off anymore.

    • PrinceOfNaboo Says:

      Yeah, what happend to “ANH” from “A Certain Point of View”? He was gone from one day to the other, which was – and is – a real shame.

      Although “Hunk a Junk” from this site reminds me of him sometimes…

      • Keith Palmer Says:

        I’ve occasionally had that feeling about “Hunk a Junk” myself. (I hope that doesn’t amount to “trying to pry,” however…) It was unfortunate about “A Certain Point of View,” but I’m conscious that its apparent thesis of “like or not, it’s better for Star Wars to be the personal statement of George Lucas than some crowd-sourced monster” must have got a lot harder to defend after the sale of Lucasfilm…

      • buick runner Says:

        Yeah, sadly that is exactly what Disney is doing to Star Wars, turning it into a crowd sourced monster. What he called art by committee. Some fans are more than happy about this, that spinoff material like TCW and Rebels can now overrule the original films with everything being canon now.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        A New Hope comments on various The Force Net news postings.

  7. Chris N. Says:

    “So drop the ‘tude and come back to the light. Your inner 9-year-old is waiting.”

    I don’t think they need their 9 year old self to appreciate the prequels. What they (and everyone else) need is to not follow the bandwagon on such a subjective topic like movies. Movies are, first and foremost, art. And art is subjective by default. There’s no right or wrong. These kids (and adults) make claims like “bad writing” without even knowing what that means. Still, what can be discussed objectively about movies has no bearing on their quality. Like the whole “the prequels were only CGI” perception. To imply that something made only with CGI is bad is a completely subjective opinion. To say that the prequels were made only with CGI, however, is wrong and a flat out lie. Fortunately, the fandom reacted against that notion with great behind the scenes pictures about the making of these movies. Which, by the way, is what Lucasfilm should have done instead of feeding that misconception even further with the whole “return to pratical effects” marketing for TFA (something completely forgotten by the haters with the CG-filled teaser trailer). As if pratical effects were ever gone from the saga to begin with or as if it has any bearing on the quality of a movie.

    And I didn’t even mention the double standards.

    • PrinceOfNaboo Says:

      Can only agree with that.

      Whenever I hear complaints that are as …. general and inexpressive as “bad writing” and “bad acting” without any actual explanation, I’ve instantly given up on the person who had just said that.

  8. yellow12 Says:

    Well said , Lazy Padawan.

  9. PrinceOfNaboo Says:

    Yep, that’s absolutely the biggest problem when it comes to the prequels’ perception, LP.

    TPM came out 16 years ago. Even if you were born in 1999, you’d be 16 now. That’s plenty of time for you make yourself be heard. The problem that lies here is the fact that these generations were never allowed to form and – that’s important – consolidate their own views and opinions.

    Once they went online, they were flooded by negativity and indoctrination – and young people are susceptible to such indoctrination and rather easy to be influenced because they are still insecure. They want to be respected and the want to be “adult”, so they likely adjust to what seems to be the “adults’ opinion”.

    Of course, it’s not adult at all to swim with the tribe and standardize your own opinion based on implanted group think. Most of them don’t realize it, though. They don’t realize that them changign their opinion like that only illuminates their immaturity, which is based on insecurity.

    30 years ago, there was no internet and while the kids back then were certainly influenced as well, it wasn’t nearly as bad as it is today. You’re not even able to go on “fan sites” without being faced with prequel hate ….

    That’s not to say that there are no people who genuinely experienced a change in perception of the prequel movies, but I’m quite sure they’re a small group compared to those who just switched their opinion because it’s the fashionable and would-be adult thing to do.

    I was born in 1990. What helped preventing me from falling into the same trap was probably the fact that I only got to see Star Was when I was already 16 and comfortable with my own opinion – and with the fact that there are some inchangable things about me that make me different from most pople. Another factor might be that I’m from Germany and we’ve made a very bad experience with too many people simply following…..

    Anyway, as was already said, the ongoing hate online and the effect it has on future generations is the most important reason for us – and sites like this – to remain visible.

    • blade57hrc Says:

      This was a brilliant comment!
      I was born in 1980 & i am not sure if i could write a mature a comment as yours back when i was 26yo.

      Now, living in Athens,Greece, i have to ask: Is the hate for the prequels there as rampant as it seems to be in the USA?
      Here it seems to be MUCH MUCH less. You can go into the SW FB page & just see people making jokes or whatever (there’s the odd hater there too, but not nearly as much) and just enjoying it without any personal attacks (seriously i haven’t seen any of that).

      • lazypadawan Says:

        It seems to be much more subdued in non-English speaking countries.

      • L110 Says:

        They´re quite liked in Czech Republic and Slovakia.

      • PrinceOfNaboo Says:

        Thanks! And, well, it’s no paradise either 🙂

        It’s better, slightly, with the “general audience” and the overall media coverage that’s not somehow related to Star Wars or geek culture. Star Wars is seen more or less equal, then. They either bash all Star Wars or no Star Wars. This lame “These are the good ones and those are the bad ones” approach is hardly found, although the occasional US/UK imported would-be hip hate-writers are also around.

        It’s just as bad on fan sites, though.

    • lisse Says:

      I agree with this. I only watched all SW movies after the saga was complete and when I was in college. I had no interaction with fandom or anything SW prior to that so that really helped me form my own opinions. The bandwagoning absolutely does happen and you’re right – young fans are susceptible to it because they’re ‘told’ that a certain POV on Star Wars is the right one. It’s an in crowd thing or something.

  10. James Says:

    I was born in 97 yet my first SW experience was ROTJ even then I didnt like SW tell I watched ANH for a while I loved all 6 equally then i saw th hate directed at 123 and the more I defended them the more I tired of 456 considering them boring and graphically inferior I will not bash a movie another person likes but now I am soly a 123 fan

    • Tony Ferris Says:

      You must Google Star Wars Ring Theory, and perhaps rediscover an appreciation for the entire saga. They are richer and more fulfilling when taken together than they are when separated. 🙂

      • James Says:

        I spent the last couple days reading this very intriging report, while I will say it did not change my perpective on 456 it did add a new undercurrent to my thoughts on the saga as a whole. One of the things I still greatly enjoy on 456 is its ryming with 123 I like noticing how they fit together. While I do not enjoy them the same as once did, I feel the need to say I still respect them as the founation of this wonderfull universe, like all foundations it might show cracks as time passes I will stiill stand by tem as Star War. I have thought greatly about exactly why I have developed this rather.. unuique opinion , and Im developing a report on it, it wont go online when Im done, for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which are the haters who would tear me limb from limb, if I finish that is, as ones opinion is never done forming. Though it is a complex process, it nontheless warms my heart to see some one enjoy all six movies not as six individual movies or “two trilogies” but as one epic tale.
        PS I still rather enjoy episode six though still not as much as I use to.

    • blade57hrc Says:

      I think i understand what you’re trying to say here…
      I actually grew up with ep4-6 in the 80s but it’s getting more&more difficult to enjoy them due to the hate ep1-3 get by those ”elitists” of ep4-6.
      The more i defend ep1-3 & look at both trilogies with a cynics’eye the more i feel like ep4-6 are the inferior ones & ep1-3 actually make ep4-6 even better than they really are…
      It doesn’t help also that i can’t bring myself to enjoy the same films as these clown ”elitists” do…Their selective blindness boggles my mind…

      I really feel you & would like to read what you have to say…
      I’m pretty sure others feel this way…so, DO NOT fear the haters!

      Young people like you forming their own opinions despite what others tell them are what this fanbase…no,,,what this world needs…
      One young man like you actually created Star Wars because he didn’t let others make him do what they wanted & did things his way…

      😉
      Cheers!

    • PrinceOfNaboo Says:

      I somehow agree with you.

      I like the whole Saga and I think both trilogies profit from each other, but I certainly wouldn’t be a fan of the OT only. I would be a fan of the PT only, though.

  11. blade57hrc Says:

    This is so true…

    Just read the comments section in Jeremy Jahns Attack of the Clones ”review” (generously…it’s the same old rants and not a MOVIE review)…
    It’s mostly kids…sad…

    • Slicer87 Says:

      How can anyone stand to watch this guy? Most of these reviewers are so boring and amateurish. They just mindlessly parrot the same nonsense over and over from each other. It is like one big circlejerk with these guys to put it crudely. All they are is pilot fish, riding Lucas’ coattails to pick up his crumbs, the internet hateboys.

      • blade57hrc Says:

        Agreed!
        That said…i’d like to see at least 4-5,000 dislikes (i think that’s how many people are here & Prequel FB groups) in that video & more people commenting instead of me & 2-3 others defending the movie…

        I mean…let’s show our might…
        I’ve discovered the ”bashing” comments diminish greatly once they see valid opposition (indicating that most of them just bash it cause it’s ”cool”)

      • Slicer87 Says:

        These guys reuse so many of the same exact points, you could create a bingo game out of them. PT review bingo, where everyone who plays wins.

      • blade57hrc Says:

        LOL,really…their ”rants” are always the same.
        I actually have a file with answers to everything, so i just copy-paste them…lol

        Here’s one which is quite funny if you think about it that i read today:
        [–]ClintHammer -10 points 3 months ago
        You left out that he was heavily invested in one of the biggest Hollywood studios that creates shitty looking CGI for summer blockbusters.

        He’s talking about ILM…Where exactly should i even start to comment on this guy’s ignorance about what he’s talking about?…

  12. smoothkaz Says:

    All of the prequel bashers I know are around my age – 18-21. Worse, they all love Red Letter Media’s quote unquote “reviews”.

    I genuinely believe most of the younger haters only are so because it’s expected. The prequels are objectively bad. If you like them, you know nothing about filmmaking/you only care about action and not story or characters/you’re easily impressed by flashy CGI.

    It’s an unspoken assumption that permeated the internet and now even the mainstream media. People feel obligated to hate them – after all, everyone says they’re bad, so they must be.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      This is why in many ways I fault Lucasfilm for sitting on its butt and never taking on this as a problem. It’s always going to be a black mark on them.

    • Slicer87 Says:

      It’s not just rlm, but also Rifftrax, MST3K websites, Channel Awesome, AVGN, and many other movie related sites. Heck even on non-film sites like firearm forums they bash the prequels, the hate has spread like a wildfire across the internet. It has come to the point where people are scared to say anything positive about the prequels online without being ridiculed creating a vicious cycle.

  13. Daniel Xie Says:

    Actually it’s a bit different for me, I know 6-7 people my age in my university who are all PT fans, and only one of the haters I know of even remotely knows of who RLM is.

    Someone actually said I had really good taste in filmmaking when I said I would prefer the Prequels to the horribly offensive American Sniper. I’m impressed.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      Offensive? Don’t go there, pal.

      • Daniel Xie Says:

        Let me remind you that I am a anti-establishment left-libertarian, not all of us disses on the Prequels you know and I know quite a few people with shared beliefs that also see something within the prequels favoring our beliefs.

        Please try to respect my views and not turn this into a s**tstorm.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        Let me just say this. You’re right, your entitled to your beliefs but here are mine: you’re comparing apples to oranges…it’s possible to like all of those movies, some of them, or none of them. I have no idea why you’d use the PT as a cudgel against that one in particular, even using the term “offensive,” especially since they are so different. And I don’t want a problem here. There’s a reason why I stay away from broadcasting my non-Star Wars views on things; it’s not relevant, it’s not appropriate, and it just causes people to get mad.

      • Daniel Xie Says:

        And admittly, my sociopolitical views has actually allowed me to be more careful of mob psychology…..

      • Bob Clark Says:

        One of my favorite things about the Prequels– they actually represent the only times in Star Wars (and Lucas’ films overall, I think) that actually pass the Bechdel test. Just barely, mind you, but it’s still cool, as far as fitting into beliefs goes.

      • M. Marshall Says:

        I can understand where Daniel is coming from. I’ve had to unfollow 2 blogs SW blogs on Tumblr because they kept whining about how “sexist” the movies were. Seriously? There’re far more misogynistic movies out there. Why not criticize them? Star Wars is the least of our problems.

    • Bob Clark Says:

      Well, it was somebody else saying it was offensive, ostensibly. Don’t give in to the Dark Side…

      Granted, I’m not rushing to see it either. But that’s because I just think Clint Eastwood’s a lousy director, and the story deserved somebody better.

      • Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

        Something I’ve learned throughout all this is that almost all art has merit. Somewhere. Now, I’m not saying that this merit can’t be overshadowed – “Triumph of the Will” for instance is still a disgusting and frightening propaganda piece despite being well-made enough to inspire many future filmmakers’ techniques – but we as a society are on the whole too dismissive of art that isn’t to our personal taste. Instead of trying to understand the intention and intellectually discuss the deeper meaning, we’re all about knee-jerk emotional reactions and confusing that for objective criticism.

        For instance, my wife dragged me to see 50 Shades of Grey recently. Now, without getting into detail, I still have major issues with the content and origin of the source material. However, I was pleasantly surprised by how well the film was made on a technical level. The cinematography is beautiful, and the actors should be commended for giving more realistic performances than the book’s dialogue would indicate is possible. I still wouldn’t reccommend it to anyone really, and I would never willingly watch it again, but however slim the film has its merits. As much as I may personally dislike it for story and origin reasons, you’ll never hear me badmouth it because that would spit in the face of the people who worked hard to make it as good as it could possibly be.

        That’s why I’m militant about Star Wars sometimes. I couldn’t care less if someone legitimately doesn’t like the films. But to perpetuate falsehoods and bully dissenters into submission is not how art should be handled.

      • M. Marshall Says:

        Sorry, Adam. But even gold covered poop is still poop.

      • Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

        I think you’re missing the point, M. While I agree on the whole with your assessment of that particular franchise for very specific reasons, we as a society need to stop being so negative about everything. Art is 90% subjective, and we need to start treating our opinions as such – especially our negative ones. Everything, even a harlequin ripoff of a troubling story that features acts that the author clearly knows nothing about, has some merit. And nobody should be made to feel lesser for liking it as long as it doesn’t lead them to hurt others.

      • M. Marshall Says:

        There’s a difference between negativity and moral indignation. I believe in respecting someone’s artistic vision but a line has to be drawn sooner or later. And art can influence society for better or worse (read: “Jaws”).I’m not going to let my love for the prequels cloud my judgment when it comes to other movies. “50 Shades” isn’t just some cheesy romance trilogy. It’s a shameless promotion of male domination and violence against women.

      • Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

        I definitely see where you’re coming from – having seen this initial one I wouldn’t go quite that far, but reading about the book-to-screen changes and where the story goes from there I think you’re ultimately right.

        But my point isn’t to defend something I don’t even like and about which I largely agree with you.

        My point is – even when I’m morally indignant about a piece of art, I’m not going to waste my time complaining about it unless someone asks (or I need to prove a point like this). And even then, I’m going to try and frame my criticism intelligently and stress that there’s nothing wrong with someone else finding merit in it. And I welcome the chance to discuss it as long as it’s an academic discussion and not a knee-jerk argument.

        I hate hypocrisy as much as I hate bashing. So as hard as certain things make it sometimes, I’m going to do my best to not be a hypocrite. If I don’t like the behavior, I’m going to do my best not to perpetuate it myself – as legitimate and moral as I think my reasons are.

    • maychild Says:

      Hey, I liked “American Sniper.”

  14. lovelucas Says:

    Wimps, they are.

  15. Jim Raynor Says:

    Without advocating that you guys turn the other cheek (I do think pro-Prequel fans ought to be more vocal about the merits of these films), I’d just like to tell you guys not to get too worked up about the online bashers. Most people I know in real life, across multiple experiences and social circles, were very positive about the prequels. The box office and theater polling data, and the fact that the Prequels spawned a hit multi season cartoon show, is proof of their mainstream appeal. The bitter, angry nerd demographic has always been an overly vocal minority.

    I used to post on one of the largest Star Wars fan forums, which had several thousand registered members. Even at its size, most of the posts came from a core group of maybe a couple dozen active members. That’s the way it is in pretty much every forum I’ve gone to, including theforce.net itself.

    Movies and TV shows attract millions of fans. I remember going to see a matinee showing of TPM 3D back in 2012, and the theater was packed with families and young kids. Most of these families broke into outright applause when the credits rolled, something that surprised even me. There was a grandpa and his two teenage daughters. Only two lone twentysomething guys (other than myself) who might be pegged for “fanboys.”

    That ONE daytime showing of TPM had more real life fans in it than the core group of posters at the forum I used to frequent. People who were enthusiastic and joyful and who probably went back to their lives, jobs, and families afterwards instead of bitterly whining about the movie for 1.5 decades and counting.

    The forums do not matter. Regular people don’t care about them. I remember when one of my coworkers saw me posting on a forum during my lunch break (not even a super geeky one, but a forum for a popular video game), and her reaction to it was “People do that?”

    Any forum member with some sense of priorities in life eventually dials down his (and they’re almost all guys, it seems to me that female fans are almost entirely scared away from these places) involvement in them or walks away completely. The forums become a parallel universe for neckbeards and social outcasts, many of whom possess clear emotional disorders.

    The vocal fanboys say that Star Wars should belong to the fans, but the “fans” are far bigger group than they realize.

    • Slicer87 Says:

      I remember positive reactions in the threaters for TPM back in 1999 and for the 3D re-release. Alot of these online nerds refuse to accept that the internet doesn’t represent the real world, that they are a minority.

    • Tony Ferris Says:

      Reading this I feel compelled to offer up my experience of The Phantom Menace in 3D, which featured the insightful commentary of two teenage members of the audience.

      Having decided to leave the theatre, populated generously with children and their parents it’s worth noting, they decided to bellow, just as they exited, that George Lucas should go ‘Fuck himself!’

      Obviously this is anecdotal, and even pitifully funny, but it does support LP’s point somewhat. This was purely the actions of adolescents though, and it shouldn’t really be agonized over too much.

      In truth I agree with you, Jim. The forums do not matter. Whiny fanboys do not matter. Their voice is being given prominence for the moment, but only for the moment. Ultimately it is of little value, and people will tire of it before long.

      Reasoned, adult conversation is not in their purview.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        I’ll just jump in to say this…it does matter because what goes from the internet goes to pop culture in general. I’ve seen PT bashing on TMZ’s show, it’s been referred to on “The Big Bang Theory”–only the most popular sitcom on t.v. for better or worse, it becomes a punchline on morning jock shows and what have you. It keeps perpetrating the idea you’re not supposed to like these movies because they are the worst ever made or something. There’s a reason why in 2015, a decade to a decade and a half since the prequels have been in existence, it’s much more difficult to find PT related collectibles and general merch than stuff from movies that came out over three decades ago. While it’s nice the more recent novels and comics are utilizing the prequels, “Rebels” as well, it still only goes so far.

      • blade57hrc Says:

        @lazypadawan
        I may have missed it but when did someone in TBBT bash the prequels?

      • discoewok Says:

        LP is correct there. To the general public that listen to the opinion makers, they’re getting their opinions from the loudest on the internet.

      • Tony Ferris Says:

        I just tend to take the long view. Opinions are fluid, those held today will be looked upon with a jaundiced eye in days to come.

        This is just the way of things.

        The quality of these movies will out, I am confident of that now. The current purveyors of pop culture opinion will lose they’re voice, and their petty grievances will fade in short order.

        Do not mistake me though, I still believe it is incumbent upon those of us who see these movie’s value not to be shy about expressing it. I’m just not losing sleep over the nerd-rage anymore.

        Like you though, I do wish that Lucasfilm would show more pride in the prequel trilogy, but that’ll come too…

      • Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

        @Blade: They throw little jabs once in a while. The nicest thing they ever did in that regard was when the guys bashed Jar Jar, then Penny agreed with them, to which they immediately jumped to his defense: (paraphrasing) “Hey! Only WE’RE [SW fans] allowed to make fun of him!”

      • Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

        Oh, and they did prove that machete order doesn’t work, but the fact they brought it up in the first place…

      • M. Marshall Says:

        Even “The Big Bang Theory” doesn’t always portray geek culture accurately…

  16. zch81721 Says:

    I blame Red Letter Media for this. I hate that damn site. You don’t know how frustrating those things are as a film major. I’ll regularly defend these movies and some jackass will be like “well if you watch the Mr. Plinkett video.” No sit down and shut up. A 7 part review does not automatically make you a film maker. That’s like me assuming I know advance engineering just by watching a how to video on building a bridge out of legos. Also you think you can out debate me in filming techniques. 4.5 years of Film school….bring it!

    • Jim Raynor Says:

      Heh, I’m the guy who actually sat through his Episode I review and dissected it. Something his admirers probably haven’t even done, since they all parrot the same few talking points from the first 5 minutes of it. It’s probably been years since I’ve commented on it (I don’t even like thinking about RLM), but I thought I’d say something since so many people have brought it up over here.

      RLM really shows how far gone the Prequel hatedom really is. I dare anyone to show those reviews to real life friends, coworkers, or family outside of the fringe culture of online geeks.. The misogynistic rape/murder jokes, and the nonstop voice impression of a mentally disabled man, will not pass. People will give you strange looks and ask what the hell you’re even watching, or they’ll tell you how annoying it sounds. The bitter, nitpicky whining over a movie (for 90+ minutes) is anything but cool.

      It’s not real film criticism, and it’s not even good nitpicking. Even leaving aside opinions on the quality of the movies, just about everything he says is plainly and factually false. His whole routine is made up of a compulsive need to contradict everything that was shown onscreen. Saying up is down, or in this case, that the bad guys shouldn’t even try to lie for their own benefit. Or that the Jedi have no reason to suspect any wrongdoing just minutes after being attacked. The plot “makes no sense” because even the most clear plot developments are dismissed without thought. The Prequels NEED to be completely horrible and senseless for his twisted world view to work.

      Honestly, it’s not hard at all to see that RLM is full of it. The only thing it requires is the endurance to tolerate his voice and his awful whining to see for yourself.

      But the hateful fanboys never even bothered to watch the thing that they claim to love. They just latched on to it because it champions a viewpoint of theirs, and validates them for supposedly being smart enough to hate on a bunch of movies. They NEED it to be a great film review, that tells it like it is and is the last word on the Prequels. They’ll lie and change the subject if you point out anything wrong with it.

      It’s a narcissistic mass delusion. Trading in their intelligence and integrity so that they can pretend that they’re somehow better than other people. They made a hero out of and thought leader out of some guy who pretends to abuse girls in a weird underground dungeon. RLM fanboys are creepy and hostile. I’ve experienced semi-organized campaigns of homophobic insults and borderline stalking on the forums simply for pointing out that their beloved amateur film reviewer is wrong.

      Their general horribleness really made me think about how awful the internet fandom is, and it made me take a hard look at myself. I resolved to be a better and well-rounded person, basically the opposite of what they showed me. I have no desire to meet or associate with anybody like them in real life. Fortunately, people like them rarely venture out into real life society.

      • Slicer87 Says:

        I noticed most of these internet geeks like to latch onto and mindlessly follow thought leaders like RLM, AVGN, Doug Walker, Simon Pegg, Rifftrax, or whatever angry online reviewer that tickles their fancy. It is really pretty sad. I noticed alot of these guys can and do milk their fanbase for ” donations”, which says alot about their character. http://filmmakermagazine.com/87102-fundraising-100000-a-year-for-online-video-mike-stoklasa-on-patreon/#.VQpP4pt14ro

        Really I would not be surprised if RLM doesn’t really care about the PT one way or the other. That they just use them as a bait to lure in the suckers.

      • Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

        I haven’t watched Walker in a while, so I don’t know what atrocity he’s committed lately. But while it’s clear that he doesn’t know crap about I-III other than the basher version of things he did have a kick where no matter how nasty he got he always stressed that if you are truly a fan of something he ranted about, hold onto that instead of holding any credence to some shmuck like him whining about it. It doesn’t necessarily excuse some of the falsehoods he’s perpetuated, but I at least feel it’s a step in the right direction. It’s something no other “reviewer” has ever thought to do.

        I gave up on the rest of Channel Awesome a long time ago, but I still have some respect for Walker himself for his “Who cares what jerks like me say? Most of these movies have more merit than even I sometimes give them credit for” attitude.

      • Slicer87 Says:

        Well I think some of it is that many online reviewers, especially “angry” reviewers are concerned about losing their “nerd cred” in the online nerd culture if they say anything positive about the PT. I used to visit the Channel Awesome forums which had alot of PT, SE, and Lucas bashing. They even called the Disney sale, Lucas going home with his crayons like Cartman. Doug has said a couple of putdowns about the PT but not as bad as most reviewers.But even light putdows reinforces the myth that everybody hates the prequels.

        I once saw a live Cinematic Titanic show, at one point Joel Hogson made a crack about Lucas f-ing up the prequels, and the joke bombed, only a couple of people laughed. He was visibly shocked his sure fire joked failed big time.

        I still believe many internet reviewers just use PT bashing as a cheap gag to attract and expand their fan base. Then they can ask for hand outs from said fanbase. Just about every online celebrity pan handles their fans for money. They are just pilot fish catching the crumbs (hateboys) from Lucas for the money they can get out of them.

  17. discoewok Says:

    Great essay LP, I’ve been sharing the crap out of it!

    BTW, I’ve found more positive PT forums on FB recently. It’s nice to find more outlets to express our enthusiasm.

    Now if I could only get the Rebelscum forums more prequel friendly…

  18. Evangelos Says:

    A little late to the party maybe,but let me share my story:I’m 25 and like blade57hrc,also from Greece.In 2004,i blind-bought the original trilogy dvd set and loved the hell out of those movies.(Didn’t had internet at the time btw).I told my best friend that i’ll also buy episodes 1 and 2 and i remember him saying ‘if you liked the old trilogy,you’re gonna LOVE the new one’.I also remember seeing the dvds with my cousin who grew up watching the OT telling me that the prequels are awsome (he also never complained about cgi or Han shooting first or whatever).My friend was right,i fell in love with the movies.
    Some months later,i saw a magazine that had a page featuring upcoming movies,among them,episode 3.It had that picture of Anakin and his cape with the shape of Vader.Below it was this comment:’we would have been excited about ep.3,if the prequels weren’t the biggest disappointments in the history cinema’.I thought ‘what a jackass,how can anyone say that,even if he didn’t like the movies…’how little i knew,of course.
    Because some years later,i got a pc.Star Wars,was one of the first things i searched on Google.Well,i’m gonna spare you the details,people in previous comments have said it better than me but…it was like i entered a different universe.EVERYONE passionately hated the prequels and the special editions.And when i say hate,i mean HATE.As Roy Batty would say,’i have read things you people wouldn’t believe…’Oh and George Lucas is not a great filmaker and and innovator but a terrible hack who got rich from the work of others.Also,he’s possibly Satan.
    I got the urge to watch the prequels once again.Not because i was afraid that my opinion will change of course,but…i wanted to watch them.Nothing changed.Visually,they’re some of the best ever made,and i dont mean just the cgi.The way they’re shot,the framing,the costumes,the spaceships,the creatures,the photography.they’re all perfect.Music and sound effects are beyond words.The story was genious.The ending of Ep.3 left me speechless.I had no problem with Hayden or any other actor.
    I don’t know what to say beyond that,i didn’t want this comment to be so huge,lol,but after reading this page i felt that i HAD to write something.Congratulations to everyone involveld with the site,i admire your courage,especially now that episode 7 will propably have Han saying ‘i ALWAYS shoot first’ and stuff like that…

    • Tony Ferris Says:

      I loved reading you’re comment.

      Just thought I’d let you know.

    • Slicer87 Says:

      Great post! It is is funny how TESB and Blade Runner, which are geek favorites now were at one time shunned. I never really knew about widespread PT hate until I spent some time on the web. In the real world I see very little PT hate. People cheered at the 3D TPM release, people cheer at the PT segments on Star Tours 2. I have never heard anybody complaining about getting a prequel segment during their ride. According to the hateboys, people should be rioting in the real world and Lucas would be hunted man, yet in reality this isn’t the case.

    • Evangelos Says:

      Thanks for the good words,i appreciate it.I just wanted to add something:As lazypadawan above said,Disney/Lucasfilm are obviously doing a terrible job to change the public perception of the prequels.I mean,why they’re not having Hayden and Ewan as force ghosts in ep.7?That would made sense in the story and it would also reinforce the idea of the saga as one.Of course the fanboys are going to furiously bitch and whine (they’ll do it anyway),but in the end,what are they gonna do,boycott the movie?Like they boycotted the bluray set so much it broke selling records?The thing is,there is a whole generation of kids growing up now that to them,the prequels are nothing more than a punchline.And what’s Disney doing about it?They release a video on youtube with JJ Abrams sayin:’Hi i’m JJ Abrams in the first video on the set of Episode 7.See that little guy next to me?That’s a PUPPET.Because in this movie,we’re using PUPPETS and REAL X-WINGS that can actually fly.Unlike,you know,some other movies out there (wink)’.And of course the cancellation of clone wars and the 3d releases,hiring fanboys to write scripts ect.Thats the REAL problem right there.If there is indeed such a huge gap on the perception of the prequels between the internet and the real world,then why everything Disney releases since it aquired Lucasfilm is exclusively about OT with some vague references on the PT?

  19. Tarrlok Says:

    I know of a dude. He’s roughly the same age as me (ie. the generation that grew up with the PT) and claims to like the PT, but you’d never know it from the way he sucks up to anyone who denigrates the movies and their fans and acts aghast at anyone who says anything good about them.

    Damn peer pressure and weak wills. I reckon that this sort of behaviour isn’t common outside of fan group circles, but these circles are what drive cultural perceptions. There’s something seriously rotten in Star Wars fandom – a conformist culture, drenched in nostalgic bitterness. This sort of decay has tended to appear less in the PT or TCW or even EU sections of the fandom, but it’s rife among the OT/ST-focused sections. People without strong convictions are easily led to abandon the things they actually like to ingratiate themselves into this culture and to the fashionably bitter people who have prominence in it.

  20. Stefan K Says:

    Interesting comments here (as usual). I can only add my impressions, but not new insights:
    There are three “caveats” I have to state.
    First, I almost never discuss Star Wars with my friends, so this already reduces the “data” I have.
    Second, I do not know how any insight you gain from your circle of friends can be generalized. I obviously cannot avoid to have friends or colleagues that have similar opinions and tastes to mine, it’s just natural. Maybe my friends and I all know and enjoy series X, but that series may still have been cancelled because of bad ratings.
    Third, I cannot tell whether my friends or colleagues are influenced by the internet or not.

    That said, my colleagues do not seem to like the prequels, but they respect my opinion. I would say that two colleagues have formed their opinion on their own. One of the two seems to enjoy TPM to a certain degree (podrace!), but both think that EP II and III are bad (one does not like the perception of women, and both do not like how Anakin falls). However, one himself states that he has “outgrown” SW in general.
    A third colleague may be influenced by the usual websites when it comes to pop culture. For instance, he positively mentioned the “used look” in the Ep 7 teaser, but I think this whole “PT is new & shiny, OT is used & full of dust, and the latter is the real deal” is a meme that is not correct, but still quite popular. Thus, the colleague may have picked that up somewhere on the internet, but I am not sure. Anyway, he has only watched TPM and states that he does not like prequels in general. (On the other hand, he is a fan of “X-Men – Days of Future Past” 🙂 )
    Two other colleagues seem not to enjoy the movies either.
    All colleagues seem to be o.k. with the overall story or at least the overall story ideas.

    On the other hand, the friends from my childhood seem to enjoy the prequels (we have watched them together at the theater when they were released), but it is a long time since we have talked about SW.

    • Stefan K Says:

      Anyway, I think LP is indeed right when it comes to some fans that enjoyed the prequels, but claim to have changed their mind.

      We may need a large representative study what people (especially the “average joe moviegoers”) think about the PT and SW in general. I would not be surprised if the PT was quite well-received.

      • Stefan K Says:

        (Forgot to add this to the comment above): A second study would evaluate the demographics of the “haters”. Maybe LP is right?

      • Jim Raynor Says:

        Theater polling from more than a decade ago exists. Gallup found that close to 80% of moviegoers had a positive view of TPM in 1999. I can Google up entertainment articles saying that AOTC received a good “A-” CinemaScore grade from audiences. Unfortunately, CinemaScore grades are technically proprietary data for the movie studios (although the grades for every major release in more recent years have been leaked and reported), so the grades for TPM and ROTS don’t come up in searches. Well-researched pro-Prequel writer Jonathan Bowen has stated on this blog that they received “A” grades though.

        I don’t know if anything more recent than that is available, but then again, other movies aren’t talked about so much and picked apart 10-16 years after they come out. I think the fact that each Prequel still made a lot of money, and the fact that Star Wars is a rock solid brand with an ongoing TV presence (focused on the Prequels no less) shows that Joe moviegoer liked the movies.

  21. ladylavinia1932 Says:

    I’m probably going to be unpopular for saying this, but . . . if those younger SW fans have changed their minds about the PT movies, there is nothing we can really do or say. Although we might hate it, they are entitled to their opinions. Heck, “RETURN OF THE JEDI” used to be my favorite SW movie (before the PT films) when I was a teenager. Now, it’s my least favorite SW movie. Sometimes, it happens.

    All that matters is that not every SW fan dislike the PT movies . . . especially not every SW fan from the younger generation.

    • Tony Ferris Says:

      It certainly does happen, but given the prevailing pop culture mood regarding the prequels, and the tendency of young people to want to ‘fit in’, I think there’s reason to look upon this change of heart with a jaundiced eye.

    • Stefan K Says:

      Well, ladylavinia has a point, and it is of course hard to tell whether someone really has “outgrown” the PT or SW in general, or she/he may (more or less?) enjoy them/does not really have a problem with them and is just following the hate bandwagon.

      There may be signs: maybe a real change of opinion is expressed by statements like “I liked them back then, but now I consider them to be children movies. That’s fine, but I have grown older, and now they do not appeal to me. But it was alright back then.” Haters may on the other hand use non-nuanced statements like “I have seen the light and realized that they are awful! I was wrong all along!”
      So, if an adult changes his opinion, she/he is completely entitled to that, and I accept it – as long as the person also acts and talks like an adult when it comes to expressing her/his opinion…

      • Bob Clark Says:

        Ironically that’s more or less the track I was probably on with SW before the Prequels came out. I still enjoyed them now and then, but as I got older I was more interested in the things that inspired Star Wars, like Kurosawa and the like, or things that came after like anime. I was even more into Lucas’ other films than SW itself. Without the Prequels, they would’ve been a fond childhood memory, not much more. Like… I dunno. DuckTales, or something.

    • Tony Ferris Says:

      What you’re describing feels very familiar, Bob.

  22. Liz Says:

    I skimmed some of the comments (there were 80 when I first saw this post. 80!), and I’m feeling the intense need to both scold and defend different parts of my generation.

    First, the scolding: much of the millennial population is obsessed with this “hipster” craze, with cynicism and with fitting in, with blindly absorbing information from social media rather than combining expert sources with their own careful thought process. It’s conformist and disgusting, especially for someone who identifies as an old-fashioned Romantic. Everything is relative, nothing matters but let’s all watch Disney and pretend it matters, and believing in things, like, actually having convictions about things like destiny and truth and beauty and love is so not cool. This is the root of the millennial bashing of the prequels: a) social media says they’re awful, so they must be, and b) they have mythology with values and morality and true love and destiny and (shock) believing in something. You have no idea how much I rail against this in real life – I’m a college student, and this is HORRIBLE at universities because universities are full of these cynical, intellectual snobs that make me want to punch them in the face. ALL THE TIME.

    Second. I am clearly not as well-versed in all the aspects of the Star Wars fandom on different platforms as you all. But let me just say: the Star Wars prequel/whole saga fandom on tumblr. A SOLID majority of us are between the ages of 17 and 27, roughly (I’m 22, myself). We grew up with the prequels, and the prequel era EU. And this is the most supportive fan community that I have ever encountered, ever. We’ve got cosplayers, fan artists, fanfic writers, and some people who just can’t contain their love for the prequels. (I know you said you know a good deal of those who liked the prequels as kids stuck with them I just wanted to put this here because some of the commenters were giving off a vibe that made me get a little defensive don’t mind me.)

    But really though, as one of “those kids,” I absolutely always just ignore them unless I know them personally, in which case I hold no punches (not ACTUAL punches, though that would be nice if it weren’t illegal). No joke, the social media platform currently is as subtle as the Emperor: it pretends to offer a world of diversity while crushing anyone who doesn’t conform to its exact mindset.

    One last thought: obviously from some of the other comments, a lot of people don’t agree with me, and I know a few of you were just intellectually curious as to why someone might stop liking something. But in the long run, why does it matter? Do we really need everyone to have a sane mindset about the value of Star Wars in order to have fun with it ourselves? REALLY? I’m sorry, but it needs to be said. One of the other reasons why I mentioned the tumblr community is because there’s so much great stuff, fan creativity (art and fic and much more) and general prequel love and discussion happening there all the time. Maybe I’m just more emotionally detached from the fact that the world is full of idiots (or at least, my generation is a majority of idiots – the kind of idiocy that has nothing to do with IQ), so I can just raise a sardonic brow at their insanity and go back to being a “crazy hyper Anakin-loving fangirl.” I just DON’T see why it’s so necessary for the rest of the world to see that the prequels deserve to exist in order for us to enjoy them. Getting worked up about it is a waste of energy.

    • blade57hrc Says:

      No joke, the social media platform currently is as subtle as the Emperor: it pretends to offer a world of diversity while crushing anyone who doesn’t conform to its exact mindset.”
      ^^
      LOVED that bit!!!

      Now…to answer your ”Do we really need everyone to have a sane mindset about the value of Star Wars in order to have fun with it ourselves?”, personally i’d say what bothers me is the fascism taking place:
      – Fascism against the movies themselves by having things like the ”Phantom Edit” existing…I’m fine with an artist re-working his own piece of art (hell, DaVinci re-worked the Mona Lisa countless times & only stopped when he died!).
      – Fascism against their creator by trying to detract his contribution & ”apllying” it to failuers like G.Kurtz…hating everything Lucas does no matter how good (Strange Magic)…and issuing death threats FFS…
      – Fascism against the people who like the prequel trilogy…

      It may seem an exaggeration, but in my opinion, these are the same types of people that would casually destroy great works of art simply because they don’t ”agree” with their dogmas like ISIS member do, if they were ”allowed” to…

      Also, their ”criticisms” haven’t detracted from my enjoyment of the prequel trilogy…at all!!
      What they’ve actually done is make me almost unable to enjoy the original trilogy…for 1 basic reason:
      – Applying the same level of cynical -”critique” to the original trilogy that they apply to the prequel trilogy…it just falls completely apart for me…
      I easily applied for example a tiny amount of Plinkett’s ”arguements” against TESB in a ”Plinkett reviews TESB” video i made on Youtube and i’m almost certain that in the future i will make a ”Plinett style review” of the OT or TESB in particular just to show these people how immensely biased & gullible they are…

    • blade57hrc Says:

      p.s.

      I just signed-up on tumblr to see if i could find what you’re talking about…don’t think i found it…but i did find this GEM:
      http://swprequelframes.tumblr.com/

      • Liz Says:

        I see your point. I guess I just don’t see it as quite as big of a threat as you, maybe because while it’s unfortunate that this part of the fandom is often the most vocal, it’s still a small percentage of the fandom. Most of your “average Star Wars fans” are generally happy with most everything Star Wars. But like I said, I do see your point. Your ISIS analogy, while extreme, is still valid. There is a point to be made that while prequel-hating trolls on forums around the internet might not be able to actually destroy the art, they are taking a disgusting amount of sheer glee out of feeding off the hurt and frustration that THEY cause in people who are just trying to enjoy their favorite movies.

        Star Wars Prequel Frames is a great blog! When I said “community” I just meant those of us who get together to interact and share our thoughts and fan works. If you’re looking for more Star Wars blogs to follow, check out the blogs on the follow-forever (a tumblr thing where you list blogs you plan to…well, follow forever!) I made recently. (Hint: look for Star Wars related blog titles): http://ladylyrica.tumblr.com/post/114129273038/ladylyricas-1st-tumblr-birthday-follow-forever. The post was made from my own tumblr-blog, ladylyrica.tumblr.com. That goes for everyone reading this, too: feel free to check out this list or ask me anything you want to know about the tumblr prequel fandom (under “Ask Away” on my blog page – though you do have to be a tumblr member to use that feature, unfortunately.)

      • lazypadawan Says:

        There’s also a SWPAS Tumblr page. Find the link under “Blogroll” on the side of the page.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      I’ve got some issues with the snowflake world of Tumblr, it is true there’s a surprising number of prequel fans there.

      • Bob Clark Says:

        I can’t really find any OT-only fans on Tumblr. I’m sure there are some there, but it really is a great haven for PT fans. I just hope that doesn’t change with the ST’s release.

    • Clark Kent Without Glasses Says:

      Hey Liz, if I weren’t engaged, I’d say “marry me” 🙂 Seriously though, I’m 100% with what you said about the whole hipster craze and how it relates to PT bashing. You give me hope. There are still sane people out there 🙂

  23. Jacobesico Says:

    I first got into Star Wars 18 years ago when I was about five with the release of the Special Editions and those movies changed my life. I remember loving the characters, the universe, the technology, the score, pretty much everything about Star Wars. I was oblivious to the backlash that the Special Editions generated. I did see the unaltered versions but I prefer the Special Editions. If George Lucas is happy with them then I’m happy.

    Fast foward to 1999 and with the release of The Phantom Menace and I loved it when I saw it in the Cinema. Darth Maul’s Lightsaber, The Podrace, Jar Jar. (I have always been a fan of Jar Jar and I am not ashamed of it). I loved seeing a younger Obi-Wan and little Anakin was really good. It was only a few years later when the seriousness of the plot weighed down on me. But I’ll come to that later. I also loved the character of Qui-Gon and I was quite sad when he died. I remember being mesmerized by the character of Queen Amidala and her steadfast refusal to give in. Not to mention her outfits. All in all I loved The Phantom Menace and I still do.

    We move on the Attack of the Clones and I remember being blown away. Where do I even start? That movie had a profound impact on me. Jango Fett, the Airspeeder chase, Slave I, The Jedi in the arena, the purple Lightsaber ( I always loved the purple lightsaber.) Plus let’s not forget the Clones themselves. I remember noting with excitement that they were the forerunners of the Stormtrooper. I loved the mystery of Episode 2. The many twists and turns of the story. I remember being shocked when Anakin lost his arm. I remember being sad when Anakin’s Mother died. I can actually sympathise with what Anakin did. And let’s not forget Yoda. I was gobsmacked when he got his Lightsaber out. I always wanted to see Yoda fight. I remember the Cinema laughing during the fight. It wasn’t a bad laugh it was quite positive actaully. Poor old Dooku didn’t stand a chance. The romance between Anakin and Padmé was very touching too. I loved the score Across the Stars. I’m not usually a big fan of music but that score sends tingles down my spine.

    I kept looking out for news regarding Episode III and 2005 couldn’t come fast enough. When I saw that movie I wasn’t disappointed. There was more action in it then the last five films put together. I loved all the Lightsaber duels. Lucas really pulled out all the stops when it came to Revenge of the Sith. It was a sad movie. The hardest part for me was when Obi-Wan’s lizard let out it’s cry after being shot down by the Clones. But with this movie I felt it was closer to A New Hope then the other two were. The one thing that really stood out for me was Padmé’s line “So this is how liberty dies? With thunderous applause?” That line really chills my spine. But the great fight with Obi-Wan and Vader (Anakin) was great. I think it was the most emotional duel in the entire saga. I loved it. And let’s not forget the true star of Episode III: Darth Sidious. He was magnificat! This was his movie! I loved the scene when he whipped his lightsaber out. Again I had always wanted to see him fight with a lightsaber and it was amazing. And the ending brought the saga full circle. The score at the end was very moving for me.

    So all in all I have been a great fan of the Prequels. I was brought into Star Wars via the original trillogy but I always wanted to know how Anakin became Darth Vader and I was not disappointed.

    It is such a shame to see such hate towards those wonderful films. They really are an eye opener to the world we live in today. I have always loved the prequels and I have never been pushed into holding a different view just to follow the crowd and I will NOT be pushed. To me those “fans” are not really true fans. They don’t really see much of George Lucas’s vision they are just blinded by a red haze of nostalgia.

    Thank you for reading.

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