“Rebels” Open Thread

I won’t post spoilers upfront in case you haven’t watched the season finale yet. Though if you have a bunch of Star Wars fans and fan sites on your feeds, you probably already know the big reveal at the end of the final episode. Discuss in comments.

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27 Responses to ““Rebels” Open Thread”

  1. peacetrainjedi Says:

    The episode was awesome. Completely awesome.

    Here’s hoping Ventress (or Cad or “insert your favorite CW character here”) makes an appearance sometime soon…

  2. darth66zannah Says:

    I’m really happy Ahsoka is back and that they are tying in characters and events from the Clone Wars and Prequel Trilogy era…it feels good that they are not ignoring us prequel era fans!

  3. Anonymous Says:

    I truly felt it was the best Rebels episode. Even though I figured that Ahsoka would be Fulcrum, seeing her appear and confirm everyone’s speculations still made me so happy, proving that the show is more of a saga show rather than an OT fan service.

    P.S. Nice callback to the Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon/Maul fight!

  4. Eduardo Vargas Says:

    Great episode, nice to see Ahsoka return.

    Nice callback to the epic fight of Episode I, though it would have been more epic if they would have played Duel of the Fates.

    With Vader now on top things will get real.

  5. lazypadawan Says:

    Even though it had been rumored for a while, Ahsoka’s appearance at the end of the episode was easily the most exciting thing that’s happened on the show. (Seriously, had it been anyone else, it would’ve been the biggest letdown in t.v. history.) The episode itself was an interesting mishmash of TPM and ANH and it was entertaining enough but bringing in Ahsoka and Darth Vader raises the stakes and opens a lot of doors. Though of course both characters have to be used sparingly. Whether Ahsoka’s lucky enough to survive another Wall Of Canon remains to be seen but now there’s 14 years for stories about her. Of course we all wonder if/when former master and apprentice will ever meet. I also wonder if Bail Organa knows Ahsoka and she is active in the Rebellion, how much does she know about Leia or about Luke? Does she know Obi-Wan and Yoda are alive and in hiding? Or is Bail keeping all of that info to himself? We’ll see if the writers can rise to the occasion in Season Two and if maybe Disney kicks in some bucks into the show budget.

    Oh, and Buffy Summers, a.k.a. Mrs. Freddie Prinze Jr. just joined the cast as a yet unknown character.

    • peacetrainjedi Says:

      I’ve been wondering about the Bail stuff myself. How much does Ahsoka really know?

      Just saw that announcement on SMG joining Rebels. My interest in the second season is at an all-time high after this last episode and recent announcement. Also, all those awesome conceptual pieces for Season 2 in the latest Rebels Recon episode are fan-flippin’-tastic.

    • Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

      ANYONE else? Forgive me for saying that Jar Jar would have been a far more awesome Fulcrum reveal.

      But Ahsoka is cool. No complaints here. Want to know how she went black-stripes though.

  6. Hunk a Junk Says:

    My daughters squealed going out of their minds the moment Ahsoka showed up on screen. They just lost their $*** completely! They are so happy she survived Order 66 and is now a part of the rebellion. They were lukewarm on watching Rebels, but now they’re all in. Now, Dave Filoni, show us you’re the true heir apparent of George Lucas. Bring back Jar Jar and give him a moment so heroic and awesome even hateboys say, “Okay, THAT was cool.” You can do it, you great bearded nerfherder you!

    • Bob Clark Says:

      I’m interested in hearing more about how they were “lukewarm” before. I’ve long thought that this is a show that feels more aimed at the older OT fans than anyone from the PT/TCW era, and this sounds like, at the very least, one example of how that bears out.

      • Hunk a Junk Says:

        They were Lukewarm in that when Clone Wars ended, and Ahsoka simply walked off into the sunset, they were really upset. And mad. They said it felt like their favorite character was being thrown away. As fans, it felt like they were being thrown away too. They don’t quite understand the concept, but they didn’t have closure. When Rebels started, there was no Anakin, no Obi (other that his brief hologram) and no Ahsoka. I think for them, it just didn’t feel familiar. It was like “not quite Star Wars.” I think there was definitely a sense that they felt, as girl fans, they were marginalized. Rebels started off soooo “Hey, look, we’re just like the OT” that they felt like, “But what about the Star Wars WE like? Don’t we matter?” When they saw Ahsoka show up as Fulcrum, their faces lit up. It wasn’t just that their favorite character was back, it was more than that. I think they felt like, for the first time, the show wanted THEM as fans. Put another way, when the series started they felt excluded. Seeing Ahsoka was an invitation and an acknowledgement that they mattered. It’s something I hope Lucasfilm and Disney are beginning to realize. In their zeal to win back the haters (who, they’ll find out, are never happy about anything) they threw a bunch of fans under the bus unnecessarily — fans that are the franchise’s future. The positive reaction to Ahsoka’s return should, I hope, be a wake up call: no one needs to be thrown under the bus. Cater to ALL Star Wars fans. We all matter.

      • Nobody Says:

        How did they respond to the Inquisitor? He seemed to be the most Prequel-ish element of the show, with his double saber and Utapau heritage. Did he just scare them, or maybe not offer a real figure to identify with? How did they respond to Hera and Sabine? I see them attempts by the creators to reach out to girls, but I look at them and wonder why they didnt just start with Ahsoka right from the start.

      • Anonymous Says:

        “I look at them and wonder why they didnt just start with Ahsoka right from the start”

        Can’t remember where, but I read in a Filoni interview shortly after the finale that he first wanted the new characters to be in the spotlight for a while before bringing in Ahsoka.

      • Nobody Says:

        My point is that the already had strong characters that could’ve been the backbone of this rebel cell. Ahsoka, Rex, Echo, maybe even Barris (Assaj, even?). Having some new faces is okay, but a whole cast of them? They’d better be knockouts then, and so far these clowns are nothing but flyballs.

      • Slicer87 Says:

        I am surprised they brought her back, considering how Disney axed TCW. It seemed they wanted as little connection between Rebels and TCW as possible. Perhaps Disney decided to back peddle some to appease fans of TCW,” to throw them a bone.” Personally I am disappointed in Dave for going against the films and making stormtroopers all recruits, despite ANH indicating that there are still clones. Also the Inquisitor doesn’t really jive with how the Sith are portrayed in the films either, the rule of two. Then again tv series based on films, especially cartoon series always deviate alot from the films. It is why they give credit to whoever adapted the story for TV. TCW also deviated alot from the films too, such as having LAAT gunships fly in space. Just part of the adapting for TV I guess.

    • Dave Says:

      Unfortunately, even if they give Jar Jar a heroic moment, you just know the haters will react with things like ‘that’s how he always should have been’ or ‘see how much better it is without George?’

  7. Bob Clark Says:

    I try watching the show, but it’s just so damn visually boring compared to TCW. And it’s not just a budget thing– the camera angles, composition, movement, etc are all completely conventional. Nothing like the dynamic, energetic stuff we had in TCW, with lots of nice wide panoramas, close ups and dutch angles (dutch angles!) along with all the usual SW visuals. It’s really disappointing to see mainstream geek media outlets calling it such a great show, when it’s really… not.

    • Slicer87 Says:

      I agree Bob, Rebels is like blander version of Star Wars, like much of the old EU. Sadly it appears that is what most of the geek culture prefers.

  8. madmediaman Says:

    Here’s a quick review I posted elsewhere:

    Sorry, I found this episode to be a bit of a muddled mess. Some quick observations:

    1) There had been a very obvious shift in tone of the show with Tarkin’s appearance, including how Stortroopers acted… gone were the days of “Stupidtroopers.” Sure they couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn, but they still came across as competent and somewhat dangerous. TWICE in this episode we had trrops returning to the buffornery of early Season 1 episodes.

    2) There was really little to no real risk in this episode. The Rebels infiltrate Tarkin’s Star Destroyer far too easily, and never once did I feel anyone was in any real danger. Kanan suddenly had no issues fighting the Inquisitor… it was all too simple. A very tame episode… which frankly made it a little boring. Oh, look the Rebels are infiltrating ANOTHER Imperial installation with little trouble.

    3) The Inquisitor… really??? That was probably the lamest on screen Star Wars death ever. Again, risk aversion. Why not have Kanan kill him… or Vader dispatches him after his failure. It just came across like the writers had written themselves in a corner and took the safe path. The Inquisitor should have been the face of evil for this show… but oh no, now we fall back on the old crutch… Vader.

    4) Which goes to one of the central problems this show has had. Instead of boldly treading new territory with this band of Rebels… when in doubt bring in an OT cameo. Did this show really need 3PO and R2? Not really… Lando? Not really… Tarkin made sense as he was the embodiment of the stakes getting higher. But the Inquisitor also did a good job of fulfilling that roll. The episode in which he decapitates two Imperial buffoons certainly show the kid gloves were off. So again, little to no reason to bring Vader in once again.

    5) Mustafar… weren’t we told this was the place where “Jedi, go to die?” But we actually never set foot on the planet? Again production limitations.

    6) Tarkin came across like an incompetent rube… a pencil pusher, not a dangerous Imperial strategist.

    Just a rushed episode that took no chances. Mix things up, I mean we know Kana or Ezra or both are going to die sometime before this show ends… why not hit the audience with one of their deaths in the season finale… that certainly changes things. As it is we are going down a very Star Wars paint by numbers path.

    Some good stuff:

    — Kiner’s score was pretty solid.. a few too may Williams references, but he brought it all together nicely.

    — Nice seeing Ahsoka back, but given her introduction I suspect she will be a periodic guest star which is fine. I’d rather have seen Ezra or Kanan bite the big one, allowing her to take on a bigger role next season, because if she does have a big role it creates a storytelling problem.. Order 66 was clearly an abject failure as there now appear to be Jedi, or former Jedi EVERYWHERE…

    –Cast performances all around were solid.

    Probably a 6.5 or 7 out of 10.

    PS Eventually I will return to blogging… I’ve had a lot of work related changes and faith adjustments going on in life right now.

    Frankly most of the news coming out of TFA land has left me going “meh,” and questioning my fandom. But Rebels and most of the comic and book releases have at least held my interest… Eventually I will catch up on all that stuff. One Saga will be back… but for now there’s my super quick summation of the finale.

    • BansheeGun Says:

      Agree with you on the cast performance bit. The only weak link is Sabine’s VO (Tiya Sircar is her name, right?). Overall, pretty good.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      Just read some more rumors about TFA and I have to wonder if not only Leia is going to be totally OOC, but also if Abrams/Kasdan are capable of writing about maturing adults instead of just resetting them to TESB 30 odd years in the past. Ugh. Not a thing about this film assures me that it’s exciting, interesting, or that it’s even “right.”

      As for “Rebels,” I’ll have more in a season ender round up. You and Bob raised some good points about the show. Good, solidly entertaining, but it still ain’t Clone Wars.

      • Slicer87 Says:

        Nothing I hear about TFA sounds promising. I am afraid JJ is just going down the OOT purist route.

    • peacetrainjedi Says:

      I agree that escaping Imperial clutches was portrayed a bit too quickly and easily, but then again, without the timely arrival of Ahsoka’s flotilla, they would definitely not have escaped all those TIEs. But I disagree about the Inquisitor’s death. He didn’t plead for his life like Maul did to Sidious. He went out one his terms, and I can applaud him for that. Plus, I don’t think he was meant to be the main villain of the show beyond Season 1. There is a strong possibility that other Inquisitors will be on the show in addition to Vader, so I think there will be plenty of room in Season 2 for them to venture beyond the “safe” territory of just using Vader.

      And actually, we don’t know if Kanan or Ezra will die. Ahsoka almost certainly, Kanan probably, Ezra…well, my bet is Ezra survives. Here is why: Just read this excerpt from Dave Filoni on how Ezra and/or Kanan could actually survive the show (and the entire OT).

      StarWars.com: I have a bit of a continuity challenge for you. In Return of the Jedi, Yoda tells Luke, “When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be.” But now he knows that Kanan and Ezra are out there. We obviously don’t know at this point what will happen to them, but is that something you’re aware of?

      Dave Filoni: I don’t see it as a challenge at all. It’s what the Sith call an absolute. When Obi-Wan says to Luke, “Your father was the greatest starfighter pilot in the galaxy,” is that true? Or is that something you tell a kid because you want him to believe his father was great? It doesn’t have to be empirical or absolutely true. Saying Luke is “the last,” is that a singular thing, or is he the last of a group? I don’t know.

      It definitely is something that comes up, and we discuss that moment all the time for what it could mean. It is possible to interpret it as, Luke is the last person that’s following the path as laid out by the Jedi Order, which we knew. The way of the Jedi is not the only way to use the light side of the Force. Luke is taught by Obi-Wan and Yoda, who very much followed the dogma of the day. So, he is the last of that line for sure. That’s absolutely true. But you don’t have to be a Jedi to use the Force. You don’t have to be a Sith to use the dark side.

      Source:
      http://www.starwars.com/news/interview-dave-filoni-on-star-wars-rebels-part-2

      • M. Marshall Says:

        I read somewhere that years after ROTJ, spectral Obi-Wan tells Luke that he’s not the last of the old jedi, he’s the first of the new.

      • Keith Palmer Says:

        I seem to remember that comment from the beginning of “Heir to the Empire” as Obi-Wan was written out of the story to keep the “Expanded Universe” authors from using him to fill in the backstory themselves, although it certainly seemed implied in Return of the Jedi that Luke would “pass on what he had learned”… if quicker, perhaps, than the “five years” said to separate the movie and that particular novel. (With the way some Star Wars novels seem held up just to hold some of the actual movies down, I’m afraid I can get to disagreeing with my mere recollections of them, but that may already be saying too much…)

        Anyway, from the moment I heard Kanan was training Ezra I got to thinking this was the “so just what happens to Ahsoka?” equivalent for “Rebels,” and of course it doesn’t have to be a matter of “they’re killed off before we get back to an actual movie” for them either. I do have to admit, though, that as “Rebels” isn’t as easily available to me as Clone Wars was, I haven’t watched any of that series beyond when the premiere was rebroadcast on ABC. The extent to which it seems part of the “plug the old movies every chance you get and don’t mention the new ones so that people can leap to their own conclusions” strategy does affect me, too.

  9. mindlessdroid Says:

    So why didn’t they just let them finish TCW if they are going to bring in TCW characters?

    • M. Marshall Says:

      I know. Part of the reason I have no interest in this show is because they just abruptly canceled Clone Wars before I could start watching it. It’s like having your dinner plate taken from you at a restaurant before you could even finish it and then offering you desert immediately. The desert looks delicious but you’re not ready for desert yet because you were to busy enjoying your dinner.

    • Slicer87 Says:

      I think Disney is just back peddling some against the backlash from canceling TCW.

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