A Couple Of Interesting Essays About Padmé

Becca at Coffee With Kenobi posted “So Love Has Blinded You”, an interesting look at Padmé’s love for Anakin.

Aaaand, here’s an interesting theory on what caused Padmé’s death…hint, it wasn’t a broken heart. I think it was more of a symbiotic thing with Anakin but hey, it’s a creative theory and I give props to the author for watching ROTS 500 times.

Update: On Rebel Force Radio’s Facebook post about the Retrozap piece, Pablo Hidalgo responded: “You know, the heart beats between both medical centers were carefully sound designed….”

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22 Responses to “A Couple Of Interesting Essays About Padmé”

  1. Dawn Says:

    Yeah, reading that second link just *totally* blew my mind….I was sitting here gobsmacked for many a minute after that one….! Such intriguing and immensely thoughtful insights, absolutely love it!….though I reckoned it as rather a symbiotic thing too, like you say, but this one definitely gets me thinkin’ too and I *love* that. 😀

  2. Nick Skywalker Says:

    While I think the condescending attitude from the author in the second link is completely unnecessary, it’s still a brilliant analysis. I had never thought of it like that. Nice post.

  3. ladylavinia1932 Says:

    I think Padme had died of a broken heart. One can add her being symbiotic with Anakin into it, as well. But I still believe it was of a broken heart. And I still do not understand the hostile attitude toward this. Was Padme supposed to be this near ideal character who was incapable of allowing her emotions to affect her health? Because she has never struck me as an ideal character to begin with. That is why I like her a lot in the first place.

    • M. Marshall Says:

      There is actually a disease commonly referred to as “broken heart syndrome” and it happens when a person is under a lot of stress. It’s also not uncommon for people to die from heart attacks when they’re injured like Billy Mays or Mama Cass Elliot, though I don’t think Padme died of a heart attack. The combination of force choke, emotional betrayal, and childbirth may have played a role in Padme’s death. The human body works in mysterious ways.

    • lisse Says:

      I like the theory in the second link and I also like the symbiotic theory. I personally saw it as depression and Anakin’s turn was the final straw in a long list of things – like the corruption of Senate, the destruction of all the things she dedicated her life for, her probably indicting herself in Palpatine’s rise, and maybe even feeling culpable for enabling Anakin – that brought her down. In a lot of RotS, I read Padme as increasingly depressed. Depression can worsen physical ailments and bring about things like stress-induced cardiomyopathy (aka broken heart syndrome). I like all these ideas tbh.

  4. ladylavinia1932 Says:

    Depression . . . broken heart . . . it’s all the same to me.

  5. M. marshall Says:

    I do recall hearing heartbeats during Anakin’s surgery scene…not so much Padme’s labor scene…

    • Tarrlok Says:

      Strangely, I recall the heartbeat monitor sound on Polis Massa but not on Coruscant.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        It really does depend on where you saw the film and the quality of sound system you might have at home. Supposedly you got the full benefit of the sound mix if you’d seen ROTS in a THX-certified digital theater. Anywhere else, some things aren’t going to be heard.

  6. Nick Skywalker Says:

    I would also like to add that I will never understand why people act like dying from a broken heart is such a far fetched idea. I mean yeah in a galaxy far far away, Lucas could have come up with a “better” way for Padme to die, but dying of a broken heart is not far fetched and actually makes a lot of sense.

    Firstly, Padme lived for two things: democracy and Anakin. Literally everything she loved and cared about was taken away from her in less than 24 hours. And couple that with the fact that she was in her third trimester, I doubt I would be in a great emotional state if I were in her shoes.

    Imagine your Padme. You’re pregnant with a JEDI’S child. As much as you try to put it off, you’re clearly getting bigger and reaching your third trimester and the secret isn’t going to stay secret for long. That’s gonna cause some stress. You see the republic crumbling under the rule of an untrustworthy Chancellor, you try your best to prevent anything else bad happening, to pretty much no avail. You’re constantly worried about your husband who’s been having dreams about you dying. Both are definitely gonna cause stress. Then, the Jedi Order, which your husband is apart of, collapses and all the Jedi are sentenced to death. As much as he tells you that he’s ok and he’s got things under control, you can’t help but worry when he leaves yet again. THEN, your husband’s best friend comes and tells you that he’s literally lost it, killed younglings, is now a Sith Lord, and pretty much implys that he has to kill him. Definitely gonna cause some heartache. So then you decide that you have to get to your husband before his ex-bff does so you travel to see your husband. When you get there, you hear the person you love spewing out insane and ridiculous notions, slowly realizing that you don’t know this person. You plead for your husband to come away with you but then, since your husband has literally lost it, he sees his former bff on your ship and jumps to the conclusion that you brought him to kill him so he chokes you. That alone would have done it. So then you have to go into emergency labor, still completely heartbroken that the man you love has turned into someone completely unrecognizable. What kind of life can you possibly give to your children? Their father is gone, democracy is gone, they would constantly be on the run and fear death.

    Her entire life fell apart in a short amount of time. It was tragic and sad. So yeah, all things mentioned, I can completely buy that she died of a broken heart.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      All of that definitely contributed!

      My perspective is that the complainers aren’t so much incredulous anyone could die of a broken heart, they simply didn’t want Padmé to die the way she did because it’s “weak” and “unfeminist.”

      • lisse Says:

        I can understand having issues with Padme dying in childbirth, especially after her scenes were deleted, but, as a feminist, I have a lot of issues with the way fandom expects women to always be Strong Female Characters. That’s actually not feminist at all. Women can be strong, weak, flawed, perfect, all those things.

        The Strong Female Character trend has actually been criticized a lot in fandom – this even went mainstream this month with Maggie Gyllenhaal whose GG acceptance speech rebutted what Amy Poehler said about strong women: ‘…what I see, actually, are women who are sometimes powerful and sometimes not. Sometimes sexy, sometimes not; sometimes honorable, sometimes not..And, what I think is new is the wealth of roles for actual women in television and in film. That’s what I think is revolutionary and evolutionary, and it’s what’s turning me on.’

        Natalie Portman in past years also made similar comments:“I want [female characters] to be allowed to be weak and strong and happy and sad – human, basically. The fallacy in Hollywood is that if you’re making a ‘feminist’ story, the woman kicks ass and wins. That’s not feminist, that’s macho. A movie about a weak, vulnerable woman can be feminist if it shows a real person that we can empathize with.’

        And this is what the Mary Sue said about Natalie’ comments: ‘Natalie Portman makes a spot-on observation in Elle magazine about a hurdle female characters often face—namely, that if you’re not an ass-kicking, fearless warrior princess then you get some of your feminist points taken away.’

        I’d quote the tons of tumblr posts that also criticize the exaltation of Strong Female Characters at the expense of real women who are weak, strong, and complicated, but you get my point.

      • M. Marshall Says:

        As a feminist myself, I get irritated at Padme’s critics for saying that George making her die was “a slap in the face to women” or “sexist”. I think all this criticism is based on the “Women in Refrigerators” list that Gail Simone made years ago where she criticizes the comics industry tradition of needlessly killing off female characters. Yet people have taken this list out of context to where ANY female characters die and they cry sexism.

  7. ladylavinia1932 Says:

    Ironically, I think male characters suffer from this attitude about how strong or weak a character can be. Not to the same extent as female characters, but yeah . . . I think they do. This attitude is especially prevalent about male leading characters in a genre that features a great deal of action and adventure. It’s okay for supporting characters to be a combination of strengths and weaknesses, but many movie and television fans have very little tolerance toward leading male characters. I saw this attitude play out in the Jack Shepherd character in the TV series, “LOST”.

    • Nick Skywalker Says:

      Oh definitely. Just look at some of the criticism Luke and (moreso) Anakin get. If I got a dollar for everytime I saw a fan refer to Anakin as an “emo, whiny crybaby” I’d have enough money to buy Lucasfilm from Disney.

  8. Tony Ferris Says:

    You guys bring up a good point. The notion of strong female characters shouldn’t refer to physical or mental strength, but rather it should be about the idea of strongly developed character. In that sense, perhaps the word we should be using is ‘robust’.

    Now, while all the characters in Star Wars are archetypal, and are sketched rather than richly drawn, the women never devolve into cliche. Padme is intelligent, driven, and capable throughout, but she is as much a slave to her emotions as is Anakin. She is also representative of the Republic, and of life and light. That she should die with the Republic feels poetically right.

    The theory espoused in the essay above is quite appealing all the same. It doesn’t undercut anything I’ve just said, and it leaves the symbolism intact. It feels reasonably plausible as well, and I like the notion that Sidious might have so direct a hand in Padme’s demise. I do sometimes wonder if Star Wars fans ascribe too much omniscience to Palpatine, but I can go with this…

    • M. Marshall Says:

      Maybe it’s a combination of all those things: a broken heart (both physically, mentally and emotionally), the dark side of the Force and a crushed trachea (even though Padme was still able to speak). Maybe Palpatine was distantly playing a mind trick on Padme to make her “lose the will to live”…maybe.

  9. ladylavinia1932 Says:

    [“It feels reasonably plausible as well, and I like the notion that Sidious might have so direct a hand in Padme’s demise.”]

    I don’t particularly care for that theory. In fact, I feel that too many fans have this tendency to give Palpatine too much credit . . . for too many things that went wrong. I believe that characters such as Padme, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Mace Windu and members of the Senate were just as responsible for their own downfalls as Palpatine.

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