Topless Robot’s “8 Reasons You’re Completely Wrong About The Prequels”

Eddie found a post on Topless Robot called “8 Reasons You’re Completely Wrong About The Prequels”. I don’t agree with everything the guy says but his points are much more positive than not.

I know how much we all loved Star Wars when we were kids, and of course we’re going to have a rooting interest when Lucas comes back and makes a new one after 15 years. But these movies are made for kids.

Not for dumb kids, like some of this stuff, but for smart kids, smart adolescents and the occasional imaginative grown-up. When we were all young we didn’t see Star Wars as a movie that could have been better or could have been worse. The overriding thought wasn’t, “I should have these people’s jobs, ’cause I could do it way better”. No, we saw what was happening on the screen and that was that. What happened happened, and wasn’t that something? But pile on twenty years of adult living and adult regrets, heartbreak, disillusionment? You’ve got a 35-year-old man who can no longer be satisfied by the primary colors of even the best movies for adolescents, and needs rather to focus more on works for adults that reflect this shading.

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24 Responses to “Topless Robot’s “8 Reasons You’re Completely Wrong About The Prequels””

  1. M. Marshall Says:

    “Only George Lucas Can Make Star Wars”. I wonder how many more people will echo that sentiment once “The Force Awakens” comes and goes.

    • Hunk a Junk Says:

      There are many hateboys invested in their belief that George wasn’t actually responsible for Star Wars’ success in the first place — you see, Marcia Lucas, Gary Kurtz and Irvin Kershner were the REAL people who created Star Wars (it’s a Secret History, btw) and George just stole the credit — that even if TFA isn’t good, they’ll still hail it as a masterpiece just because Lucas wasn’t involved. Actually, I’ve already seen hateboys on TheForce.net blaming Lucas for the title they don’t like, proving that they’re already planning to credit the movie’s success on anyone other than Lucas and it’s failures squarely on him. Just like always.

      • maychild Says:

        Marcia Lucas did have a positive influence on the OT; it’s proven fact. One of the very few things I agree with the hateboys about is that her influence is missed with regards to the prequels. But as for the rest of it — that Kurtz was the secret director, etc., and Lucas “stole the credit” — it’s nonsense.

        They hate Lucas so much that they refuse to give him credit for anything they like, but as you said, they blame him for everything they hate. They have even found a way to blame him for Harrison Ford’s broken leg on the set of TFA: he “overdosed” with CGI on the prequels and so “forced” JJA to go back to “all practical,” or something. Farfetched even for them, but they say it without blinking. And though they’ve been gloating about “SW finally being away from Lucas,” they will conveniently forget that come next year and blame everything they don’t like about TFA on him, just like you said.

        Or they will exaggeratedly love TFA, say it’s perfect, say it makes up for the “disaster” of the prequels. Much like they latched onto “rival” series and gushed over them embarrassingly — yet strangely, they never seemed to leave SW message boards and go to the message boards devoted to the “superior” series. Maybe because they didn’t really like those series as much as they claimed and were just using them as spanking sticks against the prequels?

      • Hunk a Junk Says:

        No disagreement on Marcia Lucas. I wasn’t implying she didn’t have a positive influence. In fact, so did Kurtz and Kershner. What they didn’t do was write Star Wars over Lucas’ shoulder or, as some hateboys imagine it, write it themselves only to have mean old evil George take it away and claim it as his own.

      • Tony Ferris Says:

        Well, I certainly don’t agree on Kurtz. The man’s a mediocre producer, who got lucky. Plain and simple.

        Marcia Lucas, Irvin Kershner, and of course Lawrence Kasdan all made strong, positive contributions to Star Wars, but it has only ever been George Lucas’s creation, and the vessel into which he poured the bulk of his creative juices.

        Star wars in fact, for all it’s reputation as blockbuster mass entertainment, is a deeply personal, idiosyncratic set of films, that has more in common with the output of a Wes Anderson, or an Edgar Wright than it does with the J.J. Abrams, of this world.

        For the record, I like J.J. I thought MI3 was bloody good, and Super 8 for all that it’s a pastiche, was quite enjoyable.

  2. Brian47 Says:

    It’s a decent article, the author certainly makes good attempts to quell some of the vitriol, but the comments section is where it gets ugly again. I never expect or demand anyone like exactly what I like, but I’ll still never understand the hatred some people throw at the prequels. It’s subjectice. If I connect with a movie and you don’t, it’s not the fault of the movie, it’s simply the difference between you and me as individuals. And I don’t think the author had to stress they were made for kids, they’re all made for general audiences. There is a lot of interesting aspects for grown-ups in the audience as well.

    • Hunk a Junk Says:

      What always amazes me is that the very fans who claim to love Star Wars the strongest seem to have absorbed absolutely none of its lessons. Don’t hate. Be patient. Don’t be selfish. Unlearn what you have learned. Respect the differences in others. Pursuing power only leads to despair. Etc. For them it seems to be all about “do it MY way” and “give me what I want or you suck!”

      • Jim Raynor Says:

        Definitely, I’ve tried to point this out myself.

        The “toy commercial” Prequels they hate so much contain so many themes and commentary on life that just fell on deaf ears. Fans need to realize that Star Wars isn’t about “practical effects” or rehashing the same tropes in the same exact setting called Tattoine. It’s about generational change, managing emotions, and finding balance between what you want and what you really have.

        Lots of he biggest fanboys don’t get this, because the unspoken truth about geek fandom is that it’s not all that smart.

        Decades of geek-written media has convinced fans that they’re the persecuted intellectuals. The ones who really know what Star Wars (or anything else) is all about. The ones whose love is pure because they started buying their toys (never stopped) years ago instead of today.

        Just take a step back and you’ll see how hollow that is. Loving or hating something to the point of obsession isn’t a talent or skill. It’s not even the marker of a well adjusted lifestyle.

        Very few geek fans actually take an academic approach to their entertainment. They don’t study the movies for themes. They don’t take their own stabs at the crafts of writing or filmmaking.

        And it’s alright if they don’t. It’s just entertainment after all. But if you don’t put in the time and intellectual effort, then don’t continually posture, nitpick, and naysay the professional artists who do.

        Online fandom has turned into a cesspool of self-important peoplewho simply want to put others down and reinforce their own echo chamber of opinions. Difference is that in other fandoms, there are still controls in place in the form of cooler heads telling the fanboys to calm down and take it easy. In the Star Wars fandom, the angriest fanboys shout the loudest and nobody reins them in.

      • discoewok Says:

        A ton of truth right there Jim, well put.

      • Nobody Says:

        I dont buy that Marcia was a positive influence, outsisw of her role as editor. We know that the marital problems she caused were at the root of ROTJ’s ambitious scope being scaled back, so he’d have more time with his wife (who wound up leaving him anyway). As for Kurtz, his positive input is mitigated by his loosey goose indulgement of Kershner’s irresponsible shooting style.

      • Obi-Rob Says:

        Jim Raynor I agree 100% Well said!!!!!

        They sadly are only in it to bash George Lucas. Nothing more.

        I will not be so much as lurking ANYWHERE when the new movie comes out. I want nothing to do with these people.

        Its me and SW and nobody else, nothing else.

  3. Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

    When people get on my case for “not letting people have their opinions”, I have to defend myself by pointing out that I’m fighting hypocrisy, bullying, and an unfair view by history. I couldn’t care less who does or doesn’t subjectively LIKE the movie, it’s people who use that subjective dislike to claim the movies are objectively bad and beat down all dissent I’m against.

    • Hunk a Junk Says:

      I see that all the time too. “You’re trying to stop me from expressing my opinion.” The problem is that most often these aren’t “opinions.” They’re just trolling, bullying and an intentional effort to create a toxic environment for other fans. It’s juvenile phallus measuring. Whatever opinion they had was expressed hundreds of times a decade ago. Now it’s just a coordinated effort to “take Star Wars back” so that hateboys can call the shots.

    • Jim Raynor Says:

      Prequel haters have a serious persecution complex that’s endemic to the toxic online culture they dwell in. They freely express all the hate they want, but the second someone suggests they dial it down, they claim that their opinions are being suppressed.

      Just post a positive opinion about the prequels in the usual forum or comments thread and you’ll draw a ton of flames from them.

      With no self awareness, they can’t see how frequently they themselves are being the bullies.

      • slicer87 Says:

        I think many of them know they are behaving like bullies and they enjoy it.

      • Hunk a Junk Says:

        Of course they do, slicer87. Bullies are almost always victims of bullying themselves and no doubt many of these internet trolls face physical and emotional bullying in their real lives. Going online to bully others over Star Wars gives them a feeling of power that they lack when confronting someone face to face.

  4. piccolojr1138 Says:

    You are certainly aware, but George Lucas has that said that he won’t see the TFA teaser and he’s waiting for the release… And medias and fans already turn it into a huge conflict between Lucas and Abrams. Some people are completely mad 😀

    • Jim Raynor Says:

      Yeah, I just had the displeasure of seeing such an article on The Verge (again linked from the Yahoo main page, since I don’t make a habit of seeking out a lot of “geek” media these days).

      All Lucas said was that he hadn’t seen the trailer because he’d rather wait to see the full movie in the theaters next year. Perfectly reasonable and innocuous comment.

      Yet the article writer took that and tried to spin some kind of controversy out of it, starting with a headline stating that Lucas “doesn’t care” about the trailer.

      Of course, it wasn’t long before the article writer started complaining about the Special Edition changes, up to “moody” Hayden appearing as Anakin’s ghost in ROTJ (because it makes so much more sense for Anakin to be played by 78 year old Sebastian Shaw in a form that Anakin never had since he was disfigured as a young man). And oh yeah, the writer made sure to check off on “practical effects,” as well as an accusation that George was only trying to sell toys with the Prequels. Because you know, the Original Trilogy fans didn’t discover Star Wars as children themselves, and those movies didn’t revolutionize merchandising for the entire film industry.

      No analysis. No objectivity. Just clickbaiting and the same old canned talking points. Of course, the online hatedom eats that stuff up.

      • Hunk a Junk Says:

        I expect Lucas to completely distance himself from the film for a number of reasons. First, I think he’ll do it out of respect for J.J. Abrams. It’s J.J.’s film and he doesn’t want to make it appear that he’s somehow calling the shots behind the scenes. Second, I think he knows that whatever he says will be taken out of context and twisted to fit whatever narrative people want (and we already are seeing that happen). Third, I think he has zero appreciation for the media, and with good reason. When he says he “doesn’t care,” he’s likely just dismissing an annoying “reporter” (because posting anything online these days makes anyone a reporter) pestering him for a quote. Fourth, I think he knows that whatever J.J.’s movie turns out to be, a big chunk of fans will hail it as a masterpiece if for no other reason than because George wasn’t involved. I’d bet he’s just annoyed about the entire situation. I know I’d be.

    • Nobody Says:

      Judging from the trailer, he hasn’t missed much…

      But I guess that’s really the big confirmation that he’s completely out of the creative development of the film. Maybe his treatment is still in place, maybe it isn’t. But he’s no longer one of the people working on the visual and dramatic work on “Star Wars”. At best, he’s in the position of an author that is being loosely adapted for the screen. Depressing, after the great collaboration he shared on TCW.

  5. piccolojr1138 Says:

    (I’m french, sorry for grammar mistakes)

    We have rationality on our side, but many people aren’t impressed with just that. They follow the ones who have more self-assurance and disdain for other point of views. So maybe we are too kind and civilized :p Well, these are just movies but I’m serious.

  6. discoewok Says:

    What a great article! I find his comments on the minds of the jaded adult most insightful:

    “Something else raped your childhood, pal, and it was the rest of your life.”

    I’m making my way through the movies right now with my daughters and love seeing it fresh through their eyes and without any fandom bullshit. In regards to childhood viewing:

    “No, we saw what was happening on the screen and that was that. What happened happened, and wasn’t that something?”

    Yes it WAS something. And continues to be decades later. I can’t thank George enough!

  7. lovelucas Says:

    Chiming in here – and you know I’m with all of you 100% with the exception of Marcia Lucas. George gave her that opportunity and she showed her appreciation by taking everything from him except the daughter they BOTH adopted. And – oh yeah – having an affair with and then marrying one of the guys who worked for her husband.

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