Teaser Trailer Brings Out The Haters

With Star Wars upfront and center again, the ugly has come out of the woodwork from hate boys, the lame stream media, and the rest of the usual suspects.

Hunk A Junk in the Trailer Reax (11/28) comments referred to a post at The Atlantic’s web site about the trailer and its preposterous assertion that the Star Wars movies, particularly the prequels, are racist.

Here’s the truth bomb I dropped on the guy who wrote the Atlantic click bait:

“Real Star Wars fans know the saga is not racist and I’m not sure why anyone would waste too much time on these movies if he genuinely believed they are racist. If George Lucas was an anti-Semite he has a weird way of showing it, given that his long time close friend/collaborator Steven Spielberg is Jewish, the female lead of the prequels is Jewish, and two of his stars from Eps IV-VI are half-Jewish. If George Lucas was a racist, he has a weird way of showing it. He could’ve cast anyone in the world to play Jar Jar, and he picked a black actor. Lando Calrissian was not written to be a black character; Lucas wanted Billy Dee Williams for the part anyway. Mace Windu was not written to be black character; Samuel L. Jackson–a good friend of that horrible racist Lucas–asked to be in Star Wars and got the part. A black actor was cast to play Queen Amidala’s bodyguard in The Phantom Menace. Polynesian actors played Jango Fett, young Boba Fett, and another one of Padmé Amidala’s bodyguards in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Lucas originally considered a black actor to play Han Solo and an Asian actress to play Princess Leia. He considered Toshiro Mifune to play Obi-Wan Kenobi. Oh and have you noticed who the current Mrs. Lucas is? Or that he has a child with the current Mrs. Lucas? If he’s a racist, he’s not very good at it in my opinion. And no, I don’t think the movies are racist either. If you ask me, putting John Boyega in the flick, likely in a prominent role, is one of the most Lucas-esque moves I’ve seen so far.”

Jim Raynor, also in the Trailer Reax comments, noted that “The Hollywood Reporter” inexplicably dug up its 12-year-old review of AOTC just to beat up on it and Yahoo! inexplicably decided to link to it. There are many reasons why I don’t trust the lame stream media and why I especially don’t trust the “entertainment press.”

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41 Responses to “Teaser Trailer Brings Out The Haters”

  1. M. Marshall Says:

    Good for you lazy, you’re the best! Did you e-mail the idiot or reply in the comments section of the Atlantic?

  2. peacetrainjedi Says:

    Excellent rebuttal. Give these haters no quarter…

  3. Jim Raynor Says:

    I don’t know why Special Edition/Prequel haters are even coming out in force right now with the approaching SEQUEL trilogy.

    Shouldn’t this be a happy time for them? They’re getting a new Star Wars movie, starring the Original Trilogy characters that they prefer. The prequels are a decade in the past. If they had the ability to move on, they could simply pretend that the prequels never existed and just focus on what’s to come. Because really, how many movie series out there are so prolific that they continue on for three trilogies and beyond? There’s plenty of material to pick and choose from.

    Right now, there’s the edited “Special Edition” Episode VII trailer going viral, mocking the way George Lucas would’ve supposedly done it. It’s being linked to everywhere with each article adding their own bits of commentary. The link on Cinema Blend was particularly inflammatory and exaggerrated, praising the edit as a “middle finger” to Lucas (in the actual headline) for “screwing the pooch” and inflicting “trauma” upon the poor victimized Star Wars fans.

    Really? Does this sound like the kind of tone and language you would see in mainstream journalism for most other subjects? Even a lot of hyper-partisan political coverage tries to show a veneer of maturity and sophistication. Making at least some effort avoid looking like so childish and mean spirited.

    I’ve talked plenty of trash on the internet myself, as a young man in informal settings. But then I decided to grow up and clean up my act because I realized it was stupid and unappealing. If I ever write anything as a professional journalist, I’d try to come across as one. But I guess this is geek entertainment journalism, where grown men aggressively rage over childish and trivial things for as long as they want.

    The Special Editions came out in 1997. It’s almost 2015. Nearly 18 years have gone by, enough for babies to grow into legal adults. Most people old enough to actually be mad about a few changes in the Special Editions are probably in their 40s if not older…and they still can’t seem to let it go and move on.

    • M. Marshall Says:

      This just makes me want to see Episode VII less. It also makes me hate geeks more and more.

      • Jim Raynor Says:

        The geek culture that manifests online is a decidedly unhappy and unhealthy one. These aren’t the kids or the millions of regular people who simply like Star Wars. These are guys with too much time on their hands, misplaced priorities in life, or chips on their shoulders that they try to compensate for with aggressive and condescending behavior.

        I say this not as someone who thinks he’s too “cool” to be a geek, but as someone who’s been on the inside of it. I’m still watching and reading lots of geeky entertainment myself. However, it’s just a hobby to me at this point in my life. A source of enjoyment, as it should be and is for the majority of regular people. Not a masochistic source of continual pain.

        Society is geek-friendly enough now that you can say that you like geeky things without drawing any ridicule. Know what doesn’t fly in normal social circles though? Saying how much you hate something, and then saying so again day after day, year after year. Well-adjusted people have more important things to worry about. They like to do things to improve their own lives and they’re turned off by continual pessimism from others.

        I guarantee that most of the guys still sounding off about how George Lucas supposedly wronged them are a lot more quiet about it in real life. They silently dwell on their hatred, while everyone else focuses on having fun with the stuff that they actually like.

      • slicer87 Says:

        I loathe geek culture, it is mostly memes, groupthink, and snark for the sake of snark.

    • Tarrlok Says:

      The BBC article about the Mos Espa set linked in the post above this one is pretty neutral in tone, likely because the BBC is mandated to be neutral and primarily factual. They generally maintain a strict separation between their factual/news content and their opinion/editorial content (eg. Mark Kermode for films, Top Gear for automobiles).

      I have my problems with the BBC, but I’m grateful that such an entity still exists. Looking at the rest of the media, it seems that there’s a complete lack of any such separation. Everything about Star Wars seems to be an opinion piece where the writer feels it’s acceptable to editorialise incessantly. No-one reins them. There are apparently no journalistic standards to enforce when it comes to Star Wars.

      They clearly don’t do even the most basic research. They base their assumptions off of PR (eg. the heavy promotion of CGI for the PT and practical effects for the ST, which somehow made them ignore the basic fact that both trilogies use a healthy mix of both techniques) and alleged conventional wisdom. They offer no new insights, which tend to be found from those who aren’t paid to write for big publications.

      The subject of this discussion is a case in point. It’s just poorly written. The writer is trying to sound knowledgable about SW, the EU and PT but can’t be bothered to actually back up her assertions. She idly speculates that Temuera Morrison, a self-identified Maori, might choose to “pass as white” or that Jango Fett and the clone troopers might choose to do the same in-universe, even though the setting is obviously devoid of racism between human groups, as she later notes. Self-contradiction much?

      She never bothered to research the most recent canonical – and thus most relevant to TFA – depictions of the Galactic Empire, which include the cadet Zare Leonis in ‘Rebels’ and Captain Rae Sloane in ‘A New Dawn’. She instead goes off on silly tangents about clone troopers doing something for no apparent reason, demeaning the roles of Billy Dee Williams and Samuel L. Jackson as “minor”, and resorting to tired old received wisdom about Star Wars and racism. Of course, who can’t write an opinion piece about Star Wars without a few flat digs at the PT?

      “I belittled the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy, even though it backs up the point I’m trying to make. Am I cool now? Please like me, people who I assume to be Star Wars fans.”

      The writer is clumsier than Jar Jar Binks and nowhere near as sympathetic. The central point is reasonable: John Boyega being one of the stars of TFA and the ST could be a positive step for depictions of black people in genre fiction, and there is plenty of precedent for there being black men in trooper armor. There is just too much shoddy writing surrounding that core point. A random Star Wars fan picked off a blog could make the same point more concisely and without overcomplicating things with pettiness and ignorance.

    • Dave Says:

      Jedi Temple Archives has the “Special Edition” Episode VII trailer on their site too. I shouldn’t be surprised. They can’t seem to review any figure or vehicle from TPM without adding something like ‘regardless of your feelings about the movie…’

    • lisse Says:

      as someone who’s a prequel fan as well as an ot fan and in their very early 20’s asked, “when are the ot purists/prequel haters gonna die off?”

      for me, as someone who’s also in her 20’s, the question is when are these people going to stop getting catered to or stop being in charge of the media opinion.

      • Nobody Says:

        The thing I’m afraid of is the possibility that the well has been poisoned for Millenial fans. They’ve lived under the media domination of Gen-X fanboys who offer nothing but disdain for anything other than the OOT party line. How many stories have we read in the past from younger fans who said “I loved the Prequels when they came out, but then I was shown the Plinkett videos and I realized how bad they were”, or thereabout? It’s similar to how kids who were born in the 80’s and 90’s can somehow declare some kind of nostalgia for the gritty movies of the 70’s, which they only know through watching Tarantino flicks.

      • Jim Raynor Says:

        Media and vocal parts of popular culture are always dominated by the previous generation. For example, big budget movie adaptations are made out of popular cartoons and TV shows from the 1980s. Comic books continually reboot to a more “iconic” status quo from twenty-plus years ago.

        Think about it, how many teenagers and twenty-somethings are actually hired to write for publications? Most critics and article writers are already entrenched. Kids who grew up on the prequels, or even the Clone Wars cartoon, have almost no representation in the media.

        I was 14 when TPM came out, which makes me an older member of the Prequel generation. I’m 30 now, and I still get the impression that everyone on the forums and comment threads is older than me.

        Entertainment media has become an echo chamber for a subset of older fans who never learned to let go and take it easy despite their age, and who don’t care that other people might think differently than them. It’ll probably be another decade or so before we have enough turnover in the media to see something different from the current hive mind.

      • Jim Raynor Says:

        @Nobody The online negativity probably sways some people, but I wouldn’t worry too much about it. The general attitude among the normal population still holds that movies are just movies and not worth obsessing and continuously whining about. The ultra-negative fanboy is still a negative stereotype despite the wide popularity of “geek” entertainment.

        The vast majority doesn’t care about the Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3, or the fact that geek media has nothing good to say about Michael Bay and his Transformers movies. “Film critic” has connotations of snobbery. Entire generations are growing up with no knowledge of Star Wars pre-Special Editions, but with Anakin and Ahsoka as their favorite characters.

        While online fanboys remain fixated on some idealized time period set in the 1980s to the early 90s, everyone else is moving on.

      • Nobody Says:

        I wonder about the age thing, myself. I was 15 when TPM came out. I can’t remember anyone my age really being that interested then– it was more about other geeky things like anime, games, The Matrix, Buffy, etc, all of which have a more “mature” bent. In college, nobody had anything good to say about the Prequels if they were brought up. I have to wonder if this is one of the reasons why you see so much negativity among mid-point people– they didn’t care that much about SW to begin with, so when they possibly got into it, they were more naturally to follow the herd mentality and just go with the hipster “OT is better” mindset…

      • Nobody Says:

        As for generations of fans growing up without knowledge of pre-SE Star Wars… It really does seem, judging from online forums and the like, that you have a LOT of younger fans who have been roped into the OOT movement despite being younger than the actual SE releases themselves. The hateboys are making their influence strong.

      • slicer87 Says:

        Sadly they are strong, heck they even got Lucas to curb back Jar-Jar for AOTC and ROTS.

      • lisse Says:

        @Nobody – i agree there is a going with the flow among casual millennial fans regarding the prequels. i’ve seen it too many times to believe otherwise. i’ve been influenced myself
        about other media after hearing constant criticisms and vitriol about it – sometimes it’s hard to avoid being influenced negatively when you don’t have a strong opinion either way.

        @JimRaynor – that is a very good point you articulated about the ages of critics and writers. I’m on tumblr and I’ve mostly found it positive towards the prequels (even though people do criticize things they didn’t like, it’s constructive rather than bashing) and tumblr skews young.

      • lisse Says:

        i wanted to add that i have seen kids now – children, preteens, and teens – who love the prequels and the prequel era. a lot of them got into star wars through tcw and that is the era that they feel attached to.

  4. M. Marshall Says:

    Let’s also not forget the many Asians in various roles. Anakin’s best friend was an Indian boy. Queen Amidala’s successors were Indian and Maori respectively. Chancellor Valorum’s closest aide was an Asian woman. And Deepa Bilaba and Bultar Swan, two women jedi were played by Indian and East Asian women respectivley.

    • Tarrlok Says:

      Forget not the very first chronological depictions of any characters in Star Wars:

      Bronagh Gallagher, a white woman, as Republic Judicial Forces officer Maoi Madakor and Silas Carson, a multiracial man, as her subordinate Antidar Williams – uniformed personnel in service to the Galactic government the both of them.

  5. Tarrlok Says:

    You know, I actually suspect that Lucas might have had a hand in the casting of a black actor in the trooper role. As you note, it’s a “Lucas-esque move”. It would seem in keeping with things like his passion project ‘Red Tails’ or even his personal life.

    Whether in his story treatments or in his later communication with Abrams and the others, he might have specified that the trooper should be played by a black actor. I’m not going to make any assumptions and it may never be confirmed, but it is a possibility that crossed my mind.

  6. ladylavinia1932 Says:

    I honestly do not know what to say. I’m just flabbergasted that Darth Fanboy is still getting into a twist over the PT, after that particular trilogy ended nine years ago.

    • Jim Raynor Says:

      I didn’t like Spider-Man 3 (2007) and I was disappointed with the recent Amazing Spider-Man 2. I stand by those opinions and I’ll express them if the subject comes up in normal conversation. What I won’t do is go on and on about them or proclaim that Sam Raimi and Marc Webb defiled my childhood.

      Guess I just don’t “love” Spidey as much as certain people “love” Star Wars. I’m just not enough of a dedicated fan by their standards, because I’m too busy watching other things or doing anything else to prove my fanboy cred.

      • Nobody Says:

        I flat out hated the first Raimi film, myself. But I haven’t defined my life online by that. The worst thing I can say about it is that I don’t even think about it unless somebody brings it up. If a movie’s under your skin enough that you have to constantly talk about how much you hate it, maybe it worked more than you think it did.

      • M. Marshall Says:

        I never was a fan of Spider-Man even when they introduced Miles Morales. I just never got around to reading his adventures. Yet my favorite biracial hero is Tesla Strong of the “Tom Strong” series.

  7. discoewok Says:

    Someone posted the “GL Special Edition” teaser crap on a facebook movie forum I’m on stating he thought it was a good ‘jab’ at George. My response:

    “Yeah, that guy that directed THX1138, directed American Graffiti, created ILM & Skywalker Sound, fostered the creation of Pixar & AVID, made THX A/V standards something to strive for in theater and home video, made an educational foundation, literally giving fortunes away to charities, and oh yeah brought a lot of joy to my generation’s childhood (and then some) because of SW & Indy…he needs some more jabs. Happy retirement George.”

    I could have listed more but kept it brief due the short attention spans I have to deal with. 😉

    • Stefan Kraft Says:

      Not to forget the creation of TCW (and therefore implicitly of Rebels). Having read your list, it is really a shame how some people treat GL. As Kyle Newman said: some people think they can bash Lucas because he has money (i. E. because he is a millionaire). They could just say that they did not like GL’s new stuff (and still be grateful for what he had done in the past), but no, they must insult him personally.

    • slicer87 Says:

      Good for you discoewok, it is awlful what alot of these geeks say torwards Lucas. Heck, I have seen people say they wish Lucas would just die, drop dead so he can’t ruin Star Wars anymore. Get a grip people, a human life is way more imporant than your opinion or any film.

    • Brian47 Says:

      I’ve tried to craft a similar response to Lucas-bashing posts, but yours sums it up quite well – I want to copy/paste it!

  8. slicer87 Says:

    I think alot of hateboys already hate TFA because it is the final eradication of the old EU. Alot of people disliked the prequel merely for retconning a few things, TFA will go far beyond that which is bound to cause alot of hate.

    • Jim Raynor Says:

      Hardcore fanboy attitudes in this lead up period vary. Some might be hating on Episode VII for destroying the old EU, but a lot are treating it as their salvation from Evil Lucas and his terrible prequels.

      One thing about this demographic is that it doesn’t take much for them to turn on you. The hardcore Trekkies already changed from supportive of JJ Abrams to hateful towards him. As I said before, the fans know next to nothing about Episode VII based on that extremely brief teaser. Who’s to say they won’t hate on that movie too, Episodes 8-9, or the spinoffs?

      It makes the big surge of anti-Lucas/prequel hate in the last few days seem even more silly when you take that possibility into consideration.

      I’ll just watch the movie on its own merits when it comes out next year. If it turns out mediocre, I won’t be upset about it. The way I see it, Lucas’s saga about the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker is already complete. Everything else is extra at this point.

      • M. Marshall Says:

        Being a trekkie myself, I can understand why the Trek community turned on J.J. – he took a tv show that discussed moral themes and scientific possibilities and reduced it to an adventure story that had style over substance with the same crew only this time led by a sassy, misogynistic Kirk. Many complained that “Into Darkness” was nothing more than a rehash of “The Wrath of Khan”. Abrams and co. were too afraid to boldly go storywise. At least Lucas wasn’t afraid to introduce new characters, planets, vehicles and weapons. I have a feeling that “The Force Awakens” will be “TESB Redux – Part 1”.

        On a funny note, the Trekkie backlash against ID was a slap in the face to Simon Pig, I mean Pegg.

      • Jim Raynor Says:

        I really don’t think too much about Simon Pegg, and I’ve enjoyed some of his work, but he really comes across as thin-skinned and hypocrital when Regarding Star Wars. He’s one of Lucas’s more well known celebrity bashers. But when the Trekkies came down on Into Darkness, he struck back and expressed shock at how uncivil they could be over a mere movie. Guess it’s different when he’s the one taking heat.

        On one hand, Pegg is right. Rabid fans are immature and distasteful people who are best ignored rather than pandered to. He ought to keep that in mind though when he’s the one criticizing.

        No matter what George Lucas has done (i.e. he made a few movies that some people didn’t like) he has shown way more class than most of he people going after him.

      • maychild Says:

        In other words, Simon Pegg can dish it out but he can’t come close to taking it. Typical thin-skinned baby.

        Somehow I doubt it made a lightbulb go on over his head, because of course HIS bashing of the prequels was wholly justified in his jackass mind. I must say I’m glad the douche got a taste of his own medicine, though.

        And I enjoyed seeing all the orgasmic Abrams-worshippers turn on him, not because I have any particular grudge against Abrams but because for once, a can-do-no-wrong “pet” filmmaker, who’s been used ad nauseam as a spanking stick against Lucas, was taking the heat instead. Same reason why I enjoyed the backlash against the “Hobbit” flicks, although I noticed how that somehow got twisted around to be blamed on Lucas, since I guess there’s still some sort of refusal to admit St. Peter “The Great” Jackson can actually do wrong.

      • Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

        I hate the backlash against any of these movies because I like them all. Some more than others, sure, but I can say I at least enjoyed every film mentioned in these comments so far. And while I respect the opinions of those who for whatever reason did not, I feel like using that feeling as a reason to disparage the film and those who like it are what we’re fighting against.

        If there’s one thing my Star Wars reawakening has taught me, it’s that ALL art has merit, and there’s something to appreciate in everything, even if it’s not your personal taste.

    • John Kramer Says:

      I know I’m crazy, but the Joker’s quotes in The Dark Knight, like “Why so serious?” are actually on our side. For us- extreme prequel fans, it’s right. For prequel fans who think they still can talk with the haters like friends, it’s like something to teach them. For the haters, they don’t want to hear because it’s not what they want: They don’t want to say that the greed is their true personality even if it is too obviously.

  9. Nobody Says:

    I mentioned this in the other thread recently, but I’m curious, and this seems to be the more active one. Do we know if there’s going to be any pick-up shooting, following principal photography? Lucas has traditionally been very involved in that stage (he did the “Red Tails” pick-ups himself). Is there room to hope that he’ll be invited to participate there, or in editing at least?

    • Brian47 Says:

      It’s true that Lucas always had scheduled ahead of time the dates for shooting pick-ups one year after principal photography ended, but with the shortened post-production time on the new movie I doubt this is as likely. Of course, many major movies wind up having a few days for shooting new inserts or quick pick-ups, but JJ works differently than Lucas. Lucas treated principal photography almost as a “first draft”, the 2 week pick-up shooting period designed to help him create a “final draft” of the movie with new scenes and extensions.

  10. slicer87 Says:

    There is already a video from this guy called Hellogreedo where he is prasing the trailer. Saying how the camera work is so much better than Lucas, how you can tell it isn’t a Lucas film, and other BS. Personally I thought the trailer was a fan video at first because the camera work presented in the trailer was poor. I guess he was right you could tell it wasn’t a Lucas film, but not in the way Hellogreedo wants. Many of the comments to his own video disagree with his opinion on the quality of the trailer’s camera work. Man, some of these people are really setting themselves up for disappointment with believing this film will be their salvation from all of Lucas’ imaginary wrongs.

  11. Mike Sidious Says:

    It’s very easy to sit behind a keyboard and a moniker and hurl abuse at something or someone. Shows a lack of class and character.
    Quite disturbing when you think about it.

    I was absolutely thrilled with the new teaser. Seeing new images got me so excited to the point, that I actually had a tear in my eye.
    Checking out other fan reactions online, killed the buzz I had.
    As a fan who has followed the saga for 37 years, I was disgusted by my fellow Star Wars fans behavior and ceased all internet activity until now.

    I was all set to go to Celebration in 2015, but I don’t think I’ll bother.
    I’ll use that money, to buy the new figures and merch that’s due.
    What’s the point of hanging with a bunch of poseurs who’ll trash the films anyway?
    Most of these people have no clue about Star Wars.
    Stormtroopers are clones? That was cleared up ages ago by LFL.
    #NobodyListens

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