Another Interesting Perspective On TPM

Eddie had retweeted this post on Galactic Hunter, which is a collectors’ site, about 15 years of TPM.

I wouldn’t say it’s a ringing endorsement of the film but it does point out what it did for fandom and making Star Wars valuable enough for Disney to buy it.

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13 Responses to “Another Interesting Perspective On TPM”

  1. Eddie Says:

    I’ve been reading Adam Pawlus’ Star Wars Q+A’s since the 90’s, and though I’ll occasionally disagree with his conclusions, I always respect them, because he’s been extremely consistent and observant over the years. Even after he started working for Entertainment Earth way back when, he’s retained his candor about where he saw Star Wars collecting (and Star Wars in general) going, whether it’s what his readership wants to hear or not…but judging from some of the questions he gets, there are some real mouth-breathers in that readership.

    Kind of off-topic but kind of not, there’s a new interview out with Colin Trevorrow, who’s directing “Jurassic World”. The article itself is pretty spoiler-packed, as he was responding to a leaked synopsis of the movie, but I thought this was relevant:

    “I understand the risks of leaving the safe zone. We’ve all been disappointed by new installments of the stories we love. But with all this talk of filmmakers “ruining our childhood”, we forget that right now is someone else’s childhood. This is their time. And I have to build something that can take them to the same place those earlier films took us. It may not happen in the same way everyone expects it to, but it’s the way I believe it needs to happen.”

    here’s the interview:

  2. M. Marshall Says:

    Except that Disney may kill any further collector’s aspirations. I just learned from The Mary Sue that Disney is not planning on releasing any Leia merchandise any time soon. So with them ignoring the prequels, the Clone Wars, and the EU, there’s no Padme, no Ahsoka and no Mara. It’s like they’re marketing Star Wars stricty for boys. Go figure.

    • Eddie Says:

      Disney is stupid to adhere so rigidly to the idea that Star Wars is strictly a “boys brand”; is it really possible that they didn’t do any market research into the huge number of girls/women in the SW fanbase? Disney: get a tumblr account. I read that Mary Sue article too, M. Marshall–the response from the Disney Store twitter account was downright robotic:
      ” Disney Store @DisneyStore
      @nataliewreyford Currently, there are no plans for Leia products at Disney Store, Natalie. Have a wonderful day!”

      “Sorry, Natalie, you just don’t count! Make us a sandwich LOL! BOYZ ROOL! Have a glorious life!!”

      The idea that boys will be “scared off” if female characters are merchandised is moronic (the reason I’ll never run a mega-billions conglomerate is that I’d be like, ” **** ’em, we don’t want to have such knuckle-dragging fans/customers anyway.”). When I was a little kid, I wanted Leia figures just as much as I wanted any other figure, and even more so—because she was a main character, and was completely important to the SW story, and by extension, to the stories I’d make up during play. It’s like releasing Fantastic Four toys and only making Reed Richards, Johnny Storm, and the Ever-lovin’ Blue-Eyed Thing available…you can’t even portray the central concept of the Fantastic FOUR without Sue Storm/Richards, in the same way that you can’t properly portray the main heroes of the OT (Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Artoo, Threepio, Lando), PT (Anakin, Padme, Obi-Wan, Artoo, Threepio), or TCW (Anakin, Padme, Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, Artoo, Threepio) without Leia, Padme, and Ahsoka…and that’s not even mentioning all of the important female secondary characters–especially in The Clone Wars.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        I’ve heard Marvel fans complain they can’t find Black Widow stuff at Disney Stores either.

      • M. Marshall Says:

        “I’ve heard Marvel fans complain they can’t find Black Widow stuff at Disney Stores either.”
        That’s putting it mildly, LP. You can’t find ANY of the female heroes at the Disney stores, just the male heroes. It’s ironic because there’s been an increase in Marvel readership among women compared to DC whose been making some very sexist decisions lately; yet DC always makes sure to have Wonder Woman, Batgirl and Supergirl merchandise available.

    • PrinceOfNaboo Says:

      While I absolutely agree with you regarding Disney’s obviously never-ending stupidity, I do think there are Star Wars fans – especially those dominating Geek sites – who are against too much “girlish” stuff in Star Wars, although it’s a lot more subtle than just rejecting mechandise.

      Compare the Han/Leia romance with the Anakin/Padmé romance.
      One might say the Han/Leia romance is very masculine, with a macho guy “winning” an initially resistant girl. Anakin/Padmé on the other hand, is a rather feminine romance: Very sweet, overly romantic, where the boy is actually more vulnerable than the girl and the girl is the one to decide what’s going on and whether they’re gonna be a couple or not.
      Guess what’s more popular in male-dominant geek culture and the main complaints…

      Another point would be the father/mother thing. Nobody complained about the “lack” of a mother in Episodes IV and V, yet Anakin’s lack of a father was almost a deadly sin for some.

      So there is certainly no openly stated rejection of female characters or feminine elements in Star Wars, but it’s absolutely there – although very sublte.

      Disney’s stupid, nonetheless.

      • Eddie Says:

        I definitely agree with you on that, Prince—I’ve long wanted to leave Geek™ “Culture” dead on the side of the road for those and many, many other reasons, and very spot-on assessment of the difference between those two romances. In a best-case scenario, the Sequel Trilogy could present a romance that’s even more modern, but that wouldn’t be out of place in these movies; not a “rogue melts princess’ heart” or a “young, doomed, star-crossed lovers” (since we’ve already seen both), but one in which the balance of “power” in the relationship may shift depending on circumstances, but is more or less equally distributed.

        What I really was talking about above was Disney’s indoctrination of children; the adult Geeks™ are a lost cause. Little girls have always played “princess”, but that whole ultra-focused “Disney Princesses” thing is a creation of the past 20 years or so, and it’s fascinating how insidious it is. Undoubtedly, it’s wildly financially successful for Disney, but it manifests with such backwards gender regimentation. Disney would do well to remember that most KIDS loved and played Star Wars in the 70’s and 80’s, not just all boys. Not only do I remember occasionally playing with Kenner Star Wars figures with neighborhood girls, my little sister (I even have photographic proof of my sister and I playing with Star Wars figures in 1980!), or my female cousins, but my wife and a majority of my female friends who grew up back then have similar experiences of playing Star Wars.

        From a strictly $$$$ standpoint, it’s just dumb—boys won’t stay away from SW if there are toys of female characters, but many girls that MIGHT have gotten into the toys/movies/shows will stay away if they can’t see anything of themselves in it all.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        Star Wars was popular with kids across the board back in the day. It’s true action figures, ships, and other items like that were still considered “boys toys.” There’s a reason why I didn’t acquire lots of them as a kid and I don’t recall any of my other female friends getting those kinds of toys as gifts on the birthday party circuit. And I have to say, my mom didn’t want to buy me the classic lunchbox that’s now worth a hefty chunk of change because she didn’t think it looked girly enough (I then selected one with a bunch of ghosts on it). However, there were still puzzles, t-shirts, books, comics, board games, posters, school supplies, etc. which I did get. I also got the 8-track “Story of Star Wars” and other recordings. Then there were the toys Hasbro used to produced that were at least considered gender neutral if not girl friendly: the 12″ dolls and the stuffed Ewoks for example. Those I did have.

        Still no one really considered it weird for a girl to like Star Wars.

        My nieces love all that girly, princess stuff but the older one also loves “Jake And The Neverland Pirates.” If either one of them develops a taste for Star Wars, what’s going to be in it for them? And are they going to be told, “That’s for boys?” *Cringe.*

      • Bob Clark Says:

        A more modern romance– is it too much to hope for GLBT characters in the ST? It probably is.

      • Keith Palmer Says:

        A more modern romance– is it too much to hope for GLBT characters in the ST? It probably is.

        I have to admit my impression, when overhearing the “too few women cast” comments, was that this will, among other things, increase the “slash” theorizing and fanfics… which I can suppose might be at best an ironic commentary to what you were talking about.

      • Bob Clark Says:

        It probably won’t happen. But it probably should.

        I’m frankly surprised there isn’t more of it out there. Where’s all the potential Luke/Biggs material? They seem an almost perfect yaoi pairing.

      • M. Marshall Says:

        Also keep in mind that originally Lucas wanted Luke to be a woman but executive meddling demanded that this female Luke have a romance, something Lucas didn’t want for his main character. So he made Luke a man and added Leia as a love interest for Han, so that he could have a woman in the story and a celibate hero. This is another reason why Luke was my favorite character in the original trilogy, because he was an inversion of the macho hero and because he didn’t have a romance. It was like a breath of fresh air.

  3. Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

    Further collector killing – just saw Black Series Yoda on Amazon. Finally a decent head sculpt but NO LIGHTSABER WTF?!?!

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