An Update On The Latest Controversy

In case you have no idea what’s going on, late last night it broke hours after Lucasfilm announced the first spinoff film that the screenwriter had posted on a forum from about 2008 onward several vulgar, disparaging posts about Clone Wars, the prequels, Hayden Christensen, the Special Editions, and George Lucas (the infamous “f*** Lucas” quote should’ve been alone a disqualified); he’d also trashed Disney’s Jedi Academy show at the parks on a podcast, mocking overweight kids in the process.

Most of my reaction has been on Twitter and on Facebook and I’ve been alternating between “mad as hell” and “extremely dispirited and broken-hearted” all day. I’m not particularly angry at this screenwriter, though I never want to be in the same room with the creep. However I’m beyond furious at Kathleen Kennedy and whoever else was responsible for vetting and hiring this jerk. What he did wasn’t criticism; it was out and out bashing and it was expressed in a way that doesn’t befit anyone carrying on Lucas’s legacy. That someone didn’t do due diligence or simply didn’t care is astonishing to me and very, very disappointing. Now, it’s too late and I don’t care what this spinoff’s about, I’m not going to see it. If it didn’t come from Lucas’s heart and mind or someone on the same wavelength, I am not interested. I’ve ranted about it on my LiveJournal if you care to read it. Other fan sites are way nicer about this than I am and I have to wonder why. We’ve been told over and over to be nice while we get sand kicked in our faces over and over. Let me ask them, when will they go too far for you? What will you do then?

We need to tell Lucasfilm that they owe us more creators who have an appreciation for the saga beyond Eps IV-V or VI. Why do the hate boys get their own in on projects but there’s nobody to speak for those kids whose first Star Wars film was TPM or those kids who became fans with Clone Wars? Or for us older fans who love all of the movies? Demand it now or it will never happen! I feel like writing Lucasfilm again.

Now, I felt this was confirmation that they absolutely intend to burrow tunnels beneath “the immovable objects” of canon by retconning Boba Fett’s back story. Who else would you hire other than a guy who hates the prequels with a passion to undermine them? Then Lucasfilm’s Pablo Hidalgo posted this on Paul Bateman’s Facebook page; I think you can access it if you have friended Bateman. Otherwise I had to read it/lift it from the Star Wars: The Prequel Trilogy Facebook page:

“Spoiler: Boba is a clone of Jango Fett. It turns up in one of the movies.”

“There was this whole thing where he was a legitimate character with a developed back story and complex motivation that showed up on this show called Clone Wars. It was pretty neat. The guy who invented the character came up with it, which was a nice touch. I think it’s on Netflix.”

“Also – get this – there’s a version of The Empire Strikes Back (“Episode V” some call it) where they went to the trouble to make Boba Fett’s voice the same voice as the character who played his father. That was one of several clues woven into the movies that strongly suggest the movies released from 1999-2005 take place in the same universe, and if you think about it, are sort of the same story as the ones that came out earlier. It’s pretty crazy. They’re connected. Anyway, this version of it can be found on DVD and Blu-ray where such things are sold.”

“Anyway, these sorts of clues are hidden all throughout the movies. The opening crawls are actually numbers if you look at it (I = 1, II= 2/… V = 5, VI = 6). if you look at it the right way, it hints that this whole thing is meant to tie together.”

“You know, there was a post not a month ago that said what were the immovable objects in the Star Wars canon. The internet records such things.”

“Obviously I got nothing against **** (cheers!) It’s just the rebooted Fett rumor is so transparently coming from someone (not ****, in case there’s any confusion) who still has an axe to grind against the prequels. That’s where all these retcon prequel rumors come from. Don’t give ’em any weight.”

Though interestingly enough, even with this openly debunked, Latino Review is still insisting that it’s true. *Eyeroll.*

To be continued…


48 Responses to “An Update On The Latest Controversy”

  1. mindlessdroid Says:

    Well said. I am an original fan I sat there as a wide eyed thirteen year old as the Star Destroyer flew over head and I sat there wide eyed as Darth Maul battled Lord Sidious in The Clone Wars. I will never understand the prequel hating just as I will never understand why The Clone Wars was canceled and that was the beginning of the end for me. I will certainly not see anything that involves Mr.Whitta and I will not lower myself the way he did with his foul mouthed hateful bashing. As to having sand kicked in our faces the first kick was The Clone Wars and that will always leave a void for me in the world of Star Wars. I may not like or be invested in Episode VII or Rebels but I will not bash them either.

    • Firebird2110 Says:

      I wish I could say that I’m shocked but I’m not. Once you accept that Disney 1) see Star Wars as a cash cow, 2) have an anti-PT era agenda, and 3) have no respect for the franchise or the fans or George Lucas, well once you face those facts nothing however offensive comes as a surprise.

      Like mindlessdroid I’m an original fan who didn’t hate on the PT. I’m not saying I loved everything about it but I was enough of an adult at the time to understand what Lucas was doing, making movies for a new generation of kids, not me. So I got over the midi-chlorians and enjoyed the movies for what they were.

      However it was The Clone Wars that got me back into actually being a fan, talking about Star Wars online, buying merchandise and yes, it’s cancellation hurt. What hurt more was being lied to. The PR spin that Disney tried to put on it was an insult to the intelligence of a stunned hamster!

      Since then every announcement has confirmed my initial despair about the future of the franchise. Hiring a foul-mouthed PT-hater to write a movie script might seem like something that can be excused, and heck maybe it could if it was the first thing Disney had done wrong, but it’s NOT.

      If I hadn’t been a fan of The Clone Wars I wouldn’t even be commenting now. I guess that means I still care, I still haven’t reached the point where I can bring myself to turn my back on Star Wars totally but it’s not far off. I’ve already stopped watching the #StarWars tag on twitter and have muted the tags for Rebels and Episode 7 (it doesn’t deserve the roman numeral) because the sheeple declaring that both will be AWESOME annoy me far too much, particularly when they use the CloneWars tag in the same tweet.

      Hmmm this has turned into a bit of a long rant. Maybe I should just write a blog post on the subject instead? 😉

  2. madmediaman Says:

    Well stated as always LP. I have to respectfully disagree with Jason Ward at, Whitta’s comments were not simply criticism. They crossed a line, and exposed the hateboy community for what it is… a group of entitled, immature, petulant, whiny ingrates who want it their way, or no way at all.

    I certainly do not believe there should be a litmus test for future writers or directors of Star Wars, but you should at the very least have an appreciation for what Lucas accomplished, and a willingness to honor what has come before.

    But, sadly I am in the same boat as you LP, and I will not support any Star Wars projects with Mr. Whitta’s name attached to it.


  3. Kenneth Kraly Jr Says:

    Fair points LP. I understand why some are upset over his remarks on the PT or TCW etc. But lets not hold it against him. Who knows maybe he will turn out to write something good for the Spin Off film. Looking forward to seeing what he will come up with. I can wait for Rebels , Episode 7 and the spin off films to come out soon!!!

    • lazypadawan Says:

      You don’t get it. He crossed a line with me. Who would cross a line with you? Or would you be okay with literally anyone as long as he keeps giving you Star Wars?

      • Kenneth Kraly Jr Says:

        I can see that but as I said lets wait and see how the spin offs will turn out LP. But I understand how some fans might feel about this trust me I do LP

      • madmediaman Says:

        Exactly LP. As the old saying goes: “Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.”

      • jarjarbacktattooguy Says:

        If I boycotted every filmmaker in Hollywood who said something I found offensive…then I probably wouldn’t go see anything.

        This guy might support Al Qaeda or Stalin or cop killers…but that doesn’t mean his scripts reflect those beliefs.

        But yeah, it would still be unsettling.

      • PrinceOfNaboo Says:

        Exactly. It’s about class, way of behaving and (self-)respect.
        Whether or not he’s capable of wirting a good script or not is absolutely irrelevant.

    • Anonymous Says:

      Nothing you can say can convince me to watch something written by a man who dissed children in a podcast. Honestly, if the PT-bashing card doesn’t work, I’d personally just complain to Lucasfilm/Disney that how dare they hire someone who made fun of overweight children.

      • Kenneth Kraly Jr Says:

        I’d believe Pablo Hidalgo, he’s the inside man. So much of what we read online is truly just vitriol spewed out by one that then gets picked up by many.

      • M. Marshall Says:

        Didn’t the director of “The People vs. George Lucas” also include a scene where he was dissing children for dressing as PT characters? Must be a new trend: screeching man boys picking on actual kids.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        I’ve heard horror stories about older PT haters bullying kids buying prequel-themed toys in the toy department. Lucky for them I was never around when stuff like that went down.

      • Gallandro Says:

        True M. Marshall, but that’s a trend that is fairly dominant in most of geek culture. There’s a bit or irony in their inability to accept children into their own childish interests.

        It’s really a manifestation in the “too cool for the room” syndrome. When their interest is “outside of the mainstream” and geek chic cool it’s alright to be a part of that exclusive club. But once it reaches mainstream acceptance, whatever the franchise is, it’s labelled a “sellout” and is no longer hip. This happened in 83 when Return of the Jedi was accused of being a movie made to “sell toys” (as if that was never a goal with Star Wars or Empire).

        Also it demonstrates an alarming inability among certain fans to understand that while they are growing up (or at least should be), the Saga is still staying directed at its core audience (children/adolescents). I briefly went through this phase myself. When I walked out of Jedi (I was 15 at the time), I absolutely loved the film and saw it a few dozen times in the theater… however when I got to college and started to hear a number of fellow geeks disparage the film and claim it was “less mature” than the first two films, I suddenly came to a conclusion that Jedi was less worthy than ANH or Empire. I held this position for a couple of years and had become one of “those fans.”

        But then one day it hit me… I was boxing up some of my Star Wars toys from Star Wars and Empire (had stopped collecting by Jedi), getting ready for a move, when I was struck by something. Each of the Kenner boxes I was putting away had a recommended age of “5 and Up.” Hold the phone… 5 and Up??? But A New Hope and Empire were so “mature,” why would they be marketing toys to 5 year olds??? It finally dawned on me… Star Wars and Empire were no more nor less mature than Jedi… it was still intended for kids. I had simply placed my rose-tinted memories of the first two films in some kind of mental time capsule… somehow those films were immune from changing tastes as a young adult. When I finally sat down and watched all three films objectively I rediscovered the reason I loved Jedi when I walked out of the theater… it was a hell of a lot of fun. Fast forward to the Prequels. I approached them in the same way, and now had the added bonus of watching them through they eyes of my children who were mesmerized by them.

        And that’s the rub for these so-called fans like Whitta, and other bashers. They simply cannot process how children can find the same level of enjoyment for the Prequels and TCW so they go out of their way to disparage Star Wars, or worse, the kids themselves. It’s pretty pathetic and demonstrate a stunning lack of maturity. These man-children really are an embarrassment to fandom.

      • PrinceOfNaboo Says:

        Well said, Gallandro.

        The same patterns are also already visible on prequel generation members.

        Only the smart ones survive… 🙂

    • Anonymous Says:

      Kenneth, you just don’t get it. For me, this isn’t about Lucas-bashing, PT-bashing, or TCW-bashing anymore (even though I am really annoyed by what he said about those as well). This a person who had the guts to talk trash about kids who were simply having fun and enjoying themselves. If I were a parent, I would make sure that not only would he not work on a Star Wars movie, but on any movie/show/whatever that is targeted towards children.

      • Bob Clark Says:

        Yeah, that’s the part that really goes over the line for me, too. I kinda expect most of the older fanboys-turned-filmmakers to not really be PT fans, but it wouldn’t hurt them to be a little more diplomatic about it (as Abrams has managed to just be, so far). The fact that all his anti-Lucas comments have survived on the web is just to be expected in this new age where nothing you say online will ever really be gone (and it’s his own fault for not using a pseudonym).

        But insulting kids? And fantasizing about teasing overweight kids and traumatizing them by watching an adult beat a child onstage? Even if you have a dark sense of humor, that’s kind of sociopathic. Even on a lighter level, it displays exactly the kind of generational greed that so many of the OT-only crowd exhibit. They can’t stand seeing younger and younger audiences enjoy “Star Wars” from a different perspective than they do, and just want to hog it for themselves.

        Shame to think that he’s now one of the privileged ones to have a hand at the franchise. And I say that as someone who thought that “After Earth” was kinda-sorta okay, too.

      • Denbar Says:

        Bob Clark if you honestly think that Whitta is a sociopath it is you have a problem. He is known for his dark humour, and that is all it is, a sense of humour.

        You may not like it, and that is fine. but to say that fantasizes about traumatizing children is absolutely absurd.

        By the way, Whitta does a yearly charity drive for child’s play, an organization that gets toys to sick children in hospitals.

      • Bob Clark Says:

        If that’s the case, then I really don’t understand the rationale for his Jedi Academy rant. Talk about cognitive disonance.

      • Denbar Says:

        Cognitive Dissonance? It’s a joke, he is chatting with friends and joking around. It’s that simple. Go and listen to the full podcast if you don’t get that.

      • Bob Clark Says:

        Yeah, but it’s a joke that underlines the problem with his ilk of generationally possessive fanboys, who want “Star Wars” to belong to 40-somethings who can’t stand the idea of younger viewers growing up enjoying the films on anything other than Gen-X terms.

    • BansheeGun Says:

      Out of respect for George himself this man should either be fired or step down. He took a vile swipe at Lucas and now he’s writing a piece of lore in a universe that LUCAS created. I also wouldn’t have put that you’re excited for Rebels, Ep 7, etc. because it just makes you look like a Disney drone.

  4. M. Marshall Says:

    This is not a good week. First there was those sexist comments from David S. Goyer about She-Hulk and Martian Manhunter and now this. What’s with these genre screenwriters spitting in our faces as they write stories set in our favorite universes? As far as I’m concerned, Star Wars ended in 2012 and I’m not going to read any of the new books, Marvel comics (a company that’s starting to get on my nerves) or see the new movies.

    • M. Marshall Says:

      P.S. My apologies to the commentors on this site who are Marvel fans–I’m just tired of them making movie after movie with all the sheeples praising them like they’re the best thing since swiss cheese and will rip you apart if you think otherwise.

      • Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

        Hey, I love Marvel and most of the movies, and even I acknowledge they have some major morons running the show. How else do you describe “One More Day?” (I don’t care how well-done it may or may not have been, the concept and motivation are insulting)

        Basically, my feelings can be boiled down to: this Whitta guy loses a million points for being a jackhole, Lucasfilm loses a million points for hiring him, and Pablo Hidalgo gains like seven million points for his response to this direct threat to the Republic.

      • Bob Clark Says:

        Interesting that you mention “One More Day”. The entire logic behind that storyline is pretty much the same as what’s been going on with all the fanboy rumoring that the PT should be retconned away. Older fanboys-in-chief hated the idea of Spider-Man being happily married, and tried to sabotage his pairing with Mary Jane every chance they had, something they’d tried to do as far back as the Clone Saga. But younger fans who don’t see the Gwen Stacey story as the end-all of Spider-Man always kind of liked the idea of him and Mary Jane.

  5. jarjarbacktattooguy Says:

    Well, they hired the guy who directed Godzilla which should tell you right there the direction they’re going in.

    Dark, angst ridden, miserable, with actors resorting to crass histrionics. Who the hell would look at that film and think Star Wars? Give me the Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin version any day over this thing. Now those guys understood how to make a Star Wars type film. It’s a film about a giant friggin monster…it doesn’t need to be this serious.

    They want to be hip I guess. I am sure they will hire someone to do a hip hop soundtrack next. The Jango and Boba of AOTC just weren’t macho enough for the cynical Millennials they want to attract.

    Screenwriters are paid employees. If the kid running Journey Into Imagination at Epcot thinks the ride sucks…I can live with it as long as he does his job.

    Screenwriters, actors and directors are no more important than the kid working at Disney World. They are paid to do a job. I do not want to them using their position to preach politics or bitch and moan about what films they don’t like.

    Gary Whitta and Gareth Edwards jobs are to MAKE A STAR WARS FILM. So do that guys…don’t whine about how it isn’t “cool” anymore. Just do your jobs.

  6. lovelucas Says:

    It’s no longer gray. It’s black and white. They really have lost me. But that’s redundant since they won’t be making anything for me anyway… no art, no merchandise and certainly no stories, all confirmed by my chat last weekend with Joe Corroney. And yes – let’s kick Kathleen Kennedy to that same curb – hard. I should have known – the way Disney/Kennedy, “official line” were just about genuflecting to JJ Abrams and also Kasdan. This, after the public dumping of Michael Arndt and his script which probably did not toe OT-is-God-line. I really should have waited to buy that Celebration VII ticket. It’s worthless to me now.

    • PrinceOfNaboo Says:

      Yes, I already miss Michael Arndt. He seemd to be the only new one with a healthy detachment from the franchise.

      Abrams, Kinberg and especially Whitta all seem way to emotional. They are making fan films, really.

      • Stefan Kraft Says:

        When I heard that Michael Arndt was planned to be the screenwriter, I was quite happy: I just thought that someone “with a healthy detachment from the franchise” could really bring some freshness to the Saga, similar as did the PT. Now there is the risk that the new movies will be too close to the OT.

  7. piccolojr1138 Says:

    (again, sorry for grammar mistakes, I’m french).

    I think you see it the wrong way… This guy has totally submitted himself for a job.

    Four years ago, he was there saying “fuck George Lucas and his Blu-Ray” in front of his geek friends, nowadays he is obsequious with the Maker and tells him “happy birthday” on Twitter (, while attempting to delete his old hateful comments.

    Four years ago, he was dissing the Prequels and The Clone Wars, nowadays he is forced to take them into consideration, and to write a script cohesive with those “immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align” (quote Lucasfilm). Pablo Hidalgo just confirmed it again.

    And I’m sure that in a future interview, he will say that he respects all the fans, that it was four years ago, he didn’t mean that, etc etc… Because he is obsequious and submitted. And that makes me laugh.

    Anyway, I’m still waiting for more informations before making definitive judgements. Just remember that since 15 years, the franchise was centered around the PT era. So I don’t mind if two or three spin-off or TV series are about Rebels, Empire or Jabba’s palace.

    But I’m ok for petitioning to Lucasfilm and ask for some PT-era spin-offs (Darth Plagueis !)

    • Stefan Kraft Says:

      Hmmm, interesting point of view. Well, should Whitta apologize for what he said, I am not sure what to make out of it. Everybody deserves a second chance, but still…

  8. PrinceOfNaboo Says:

    The fans really disappoint me the most, in that regard.

    “Why do you have to like the PT in order to make SW films?”, “it was on a forum four years ago”, “i’ve seen worse on the internet”…

    This is just wrong on so many levels.

    If the opinion of new directors/writers on SW would be irrelevant, the official site probably hadn’t expatiated on everyone’s “endless love” for the OT so far.
    It does matters. They work in the same universe, “what happens to one of them will affect the other”.

    If any of the new guys had only slightly criticised the OT, the same fans would be in a rage. They almost collapsed when Joss Whedon (who is not even doing anything in SW) rationally explained his dislike for ESB’S ending.
    And now they’re telling us Whitta’s mindless bashing isn’t that bad and you “don’t have to like” the PT (which nobody demanded).

    And that’s the least “problematic” part about Whitta. His comments about Lucas and kids are inexusabel.
    Let alone his pitiful resume as a writer.

    Star Wars is really lost.

    • lazypadawan Says:

      Not to get too political here, but many Star Wars fan sites are run by people who are socially/politically left of center. If Whitta was a religious man who had posted his opposition to gay marriage or abortion, even in the nicest possible way, they’d demand he’d be fired immediately and other “geek” sites would join in. If he was the kind of guy who posted sexist or ethnic jokes, they’d demand he’d be fired immediately. They’d threaten to boycott the movie. They’d condemn Disney and Lucasfilm for not doing their homework. (I am not calling for Whitta to be fired; I want Lucasfilm to reassure us that in the future, they’re going to be more careful.)

      But they’re willing to make excuses in this instance, even though he even attacked Lucas himself! And these are fans/fan sites who are more or less on the same page as I am! Why? The day someone hired on to work on Star Wars offends the politically correct fans or says something like that She Hulk crack from the other day, jimmy crack corn and I don’t care. You won’t get me in on that boot party because they aren’t there today for the saga’s integrity or for Lucas.

      • Tarrlok Says:

        I would absolutely consider matters of civil liberties more serious than someone’s opinions on a work of fiction. What this incident indicts is Lucasfilm’s integrity as a company, which is a huge enough deal on its own, but hardly in the same league as someone targeting a demographic group. It’s ultimately an issue of them digging their own grave as a company and taking Lucas’ legacy with them.

        However, taking a leaf from political activism, I think Whitta’s comments about Lucas and especially fans who disagree with him (very specifically those) could be paraded in front of these fan sites. His comments about the kids at the Disney attraction as well.

        These sites could be asked a simple question: do they think these comments are acceptable?

        That would force them into a dilemma. They could answer affirmative and thus alienate a good chunk of their visitors. They could evade the question and accomplish much the same. Or they could answer negative and (shock and horror) not nod their heads at everything Disney does with SW.

      • Gallandro Says:

        I would say in this era of political correctness that Whitta’s comments about “fat kids” should be enough to get him fired.

        How on earth a company that positions itself as a children’s entertainment company, and one that promotes inclusion and has been an advocate against bullying could tolerate these comments from someone who they have hired is beyond me.

      • M. Marshall Says:

        Yup, I see the double standard as well. Goyer get’s damned to hell for offending female comics fans, yet Whitta (almost) gets a free pass for offending prequel/TCW fans and less than ideal weight kids. Since I’m a fan of both “Man of Steel” and “Star Wars”, it’s disconcerting on all fronts.

    • Tarrlok Says:

      I’ve seen the hardcore PT bashers rally to Whitta’s defence. It’s not as if he has done anything of note to earn their admiration as a screenwriter. Behaving like the worst stereotype of an arrogant self-entitled fanboy maniac seems to be his main positive attribute in their eyes.

      Though that’s less disconcerting than the phenomenon you and LP mentioned. Among the general fan community, there seems to be a lot of uncritical acceptance of everything Disney is doing with SW. TCW got shafted while it was in its stride and Lucasfilm Animation was gutted, its personnel fired and the PT era all but abandoned for a bloody corporate “change of direction.” That was a really shocking turn of events, something which you’d normally never expect to see happen to a successful show and an animation studio on the cutting edge, but the reaction from SW fans (as distinguished from the deep TCW fans) was mediocre.

      I’ve seen far too many loudmouth detractors of the PT and TCW shout down more mild-mannered fans of them when they dared to express lack of enthusiasm or apprehension about Rebels, Episode VII and the new spinoff. They do this with impunity. I’ve seen even casual fans get ripped for merely commenting that Rebels’ animation doesn’t look as good as TCW’s. Ad hominems are flying around and strawmen (eg. the ones you highlighted) are being set up to be beaten. PT and TCW fans are incessantly accused of being bitter, insecure, paranoid, fun-spoilers and not TRUEFANS(TM). Smug remarks about how Disney/Abrams obviously hates the prequels and will never revive TCW are rife.

      They’re circling the wagons around anything that seems like it could mark a break from the PT era, which is unfortunate for those of us who are actually looking forward to things like Rebels and Episode VII (to hell with the spinoff) as continuations of the greater SW story.

    • oxward321 Says:

      I’ll never see this spin off movie. As I said before, Star Wars is dead! RIP 1977-2014!!! That’s the real Star Wars! No Lucas, no Star Wars period!!’n

  9. Kenneth Kraly Jr Says:

    This may cheer you up a little bit LP and PT and TCW fans. This is well written by SWU

    • PrinceOfNaboo Says:


      This guy is more concerned with his submissive fear of being “misunderstood” than getting his point across.

  10. Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

    I think this raises a very good existential question: When does being the better person stop being the better option and fighting back become acceptable? Where is that line?

    • buick runner Says:

      It is acceptable if you win and it is popular opinion, if you lose or is an unpopular opinion, then it is unacceptable.

      But for the most part, the line is crossed by the aggressor.

      • Adam D. Bram (The Nilbog) Says:

        I’m asking where the line actually is, not where certain people act like it is.

      • buick runner Says:

        The line will be at different places for different people, it will be at one spot for you, another spot for the aggressor, and yet another spot for a 3rd party witness, and so on. It’s very subjective where the line is with many different factors involved from your own perception to current sociality taboos.

        IMO, the line was crossed by the hateboys years ago. We have been letting them off too easy and it has only made things worse. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and it’s time we start squeaking loudly and let Disney know the hateboys aren’t the only type of Star Wars fan.

      • lazypadawan Says:

        That’s what I’ve been saying but not enough fans feel like squeaking, unfortunately.

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