That was excellent! Everybody did a great job, but Kyle Newman was the MVP…he brings an intense zeal to the whole affair. LP, I feel like you should be on the CVII panel–who better to talk about the actual prequel *fandom*; you’ll have been doing the SWPAS for 7 years (presumably CVII will be held in 2014) by that point.
For some reason, Pablo Hidalgo’s story about the original cut of the Arrest of Palpatine scene sounds familiar, but even if I knew it before, I hadn’t previously connected it with this (under the “points of interest): http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0535palpatine.asp
I remember that figure being released with Anakin’s saber, and everybody just grumbling about “stupid Hasbro” making a mistake, but now it makes perfect sense.
LP would make an excellent panelist, and yes, Kyle was quite passionate and very precise about his prequel love. I wish this session had been scheduled at a different time – it was first up on Sunday after Saturday night festivities and wasn’t as well-attended as in CV. But again, I could have listened to them for hours. They were shooing us out for the next session but Kyle stayed for just a bit to chat with fans. Now…how do we get Mary Franklin to add LP to the panel next time?
I actually read about the original cut of the arrest of Palpatine scene on Kaminski’s website (you know, the secret history of Star Wars…) The article itself was quite interesting, and who knows how the original scene would have looked like in the final movie. (Please do not kill me for visiting Kaminski’s site, the article has rather increased my respect for Lucas )
Apart from that: Really looking forward to see this video! A big “Thank you” to Eric for posting it!
Michael Kaminski is a **** — can you say “****” on here? Sod it. You can take that from someone who has clashed with him several times after initially giving him the benefit of the doubt and even rallying to his defence when he first published his e-book (as it was then) to TFN. I can barely believe that “Save Star Wars” website he now also runs. I actually have located MULTIPLE instances of Lucas saying that the original artist SHOULD be able to alter their films. Kaminski cut out the original remark from Lucas’ Berne Convention speech where he said likewise; naturally, he doesn’t include the future variants, either. On his “Secret History” website, he also wrote up an article called “The Nature Of The Beast” — a reflection on his pet topic, the prequels, what else? He starts it off with an attack on prequel fans, telling them that if they liked AOTC in particular, they should “raise [their] standards”. The full remark: “This article may be a bit controversial for those who really love the prequels due to the critical nature of it. If you are the type of person who does not cringe at the romantic dialog in Attack of the Clones , (sic) you might want to stop reading–or better yet, raise your standards.”. Another choice remark: “I think we have to stop fooling ourselves that the prequels were well written. They weren’t.” The article was then re-written and these comments were removed. But if you know where, or rather, how, to look, you can find the original. On the other hand, his SHOSW book is a decent enough read, and a handy reference source in its own right, but it doesn’t offer anything truly probing or definitive: it’s all surface stitching. Yet Kaminski runs his mouth off in editorial pieces about Lucas and his purported atrophied skills. And how we should all hate the prequels. Then he misrepresents Lucas as a champion of artist rights for good measure. Despite clarifying some story points in his book, it feels to me that he has only sown more negativity, discord, and confusion, really. And with typical prequel-basher condescension, cloaked behind a veneer of authority and wisdom.
No use of the “t” word here, edited it out. Trying to keep it SFW/PG-13 around here.
@J.Reeves: I do not think that this comment section is the right spot to discuss whether Kaminski is a “****” or not. Not because of my opinion on Kaminski, but because I think it is “too” off-topic. His articles are interesting, yes, and he may make some good points. However, I also think he is too negative overall. I can however fully understand why you wrote your comment – Kaminski seems to be one of the main argument sources of the anti-PT people.
Funny thing BTW: I once read a comment by someone who only likes EP 4-6 but who stated that EP 2 was the prequel episode that felt most like a Star Wars episode to him.
(I think that there are almost as many ways to enjoy a Star Wars movie as there are fans, so I do not have any problems with people that do not like certain episodes – unless they tell me I’m an idiot for not “getting Star Wars”. Yeah right.)
Fair enough, Stefan. And fair enough, LP/MP. Stefan, your last remark clinches it. Kaminski actually HAS insulted the intelligence of other fans by saying things like “raise your standards”. Had he not got quite so haughty with his anti-Lucas rhetoric, I might never have made the former post. I did just think that something needed saying on the matter. In general, though, this is the “Star Wars Prequel Appreciation Society”, not the “Slam Other People We Don’t Like Society”, so yeah.
Thanks for posting this. I’ll have to watch it when I have more time. Goofing off a work right now. . My vote goes to LP as well. 7 years now!!!!! Damn hasn’t felt like it’s been that long. I think I was one of the first to sign up. I remember you telling me about starting this site years ago when you posted a comment on a blog I wrote on SW.com. Ah the memories. I’m very thankfully you did.
One of the web docs on the ROTS DVD, either the Anakin or Palpatine one, shows Anakin in the background as Palp and Mace fight.
My vote goes to LP too! We need her on the panel. Thanks for posting this and the site. I check this everyday. 7 years now, damn! Seems like just yesterday you had mentioned on a blog I wrote SW.com that you where starting this site. Ah, the memories.
There’s some footage on the ROTS DVD web docs, either the Anakin or Palpatine one, where you can see Anakin in the background as Palp and Mace fight. Also the Making of Book covers it. Awesome book!
Bob, I had some problems with speech discernment, as well. The whole thing, start to finish, except for that tiny insert at the end, from a different source, it seems, is rather echoic, and it’s hard to make out certain words, unless you’re straining to listen. Sadly, that’s often the way these sorts of ad hoc recordings go. We’ve gotten good with picture quality, but sound is still a little hit-and-miss with a live recording. I got the gist of what was said, however. Nothing too radical or exciting for me, and nothing I haven’t heard before, really. But nice enough to hear it, anyway — finally. Woo!
This should be a place were we embrace our love for Episodes I, II & III. Not to bash the bashers. Not that I wouldn’t like to bash them. We should focus on our love for these movies. And save our distaste for when Lucasfilm needs a kick in the butt. I don’t bother with the forms anymore. I do call Lucasfilm out on their B.S. we I see fit.
Oh yeah. Tom was great on the panel too. They all where. But, those three really stood out.